Calif_Sue , I Lived in Goppingen , for 3 yrs in 1960 , My Grandfather was born in something like Gephardt Germany .
I was born in Illinois , at a holding gift of the Holden family , That family was part of J.P. Morgan's Empire One of the Holden family is standing with J.P. Morgan in a old picture ,
Of course William Holden the actor was the outcast of that family ,
Centuries of history in all this here ,,
