Thank you Sue and Maurice. This dormancy issue has had me really puzzled. I have crosses that are quite the mix concerning dor, sev, and ev. Most make it long term (at least 3 years) in my garden in my warmer climate. But a few do not. They get watered, fertilized, sun, etc. the same as all the other plants around them. They come back the second year, but disappear by the third year. It is the seedlings that have 2 dormant parents.