hmmmm....well, okay so we had a lot of lurkers there...they were not joining in, Right?...and apparently not into gardening?...so they are not going to be interested in joining in on ATP?....so what do we gain by keeping that thread alive? We CAN, with things of interest about the areas where we live in California, but how many of us are there?...and are we doing it just to entertain people who are not going to join in anyway?...and we can talk about what we would talk about THERE, only right here on ATP....what do we gain?