I originally joined DG because of the seed trading...and then we had the fantastic RU's that drdon was hosting...that was it for me, seed and plant trading. I told don several times that he was far too generous and I think it finally got to him that the people were not appreciative enough for all that he did. When he no longer did the hosting, things fell apart and people left.....then the problems that Dave had after selling DG, there was no reason to stay with that any longer.