I'm just somewhat incorrigible about pollen daubing. I try to resist but if there is pollen and available blooms, I daub. I tried to limit it this year by ONLY using pollen from Lillian's Vapor Trail in dip attempts except when I daubed on LVT. I got lots of takes and lots of seeds. I even had two pods on LVT, but I accidentally pulled the scape off on one and the grasshoppers (or something) ate the other. I haven't found it too hard to obtain seeds. I get pods using tets, but not as many and the pods just contain fewer seeds, so it's a bit harder for me on the tets. That is just my experience though. It might be different for someone else. Last year I planted every seed thinking they would be hard to germinate. The result is I have hundreds of seedlings with no place to grow. I found a home for a lot of the duplicates so I didn't just have to dump them. The fate of most of those still here is pretty doubtful. So in addition to not finding it hard to get seeds, I also found it easy to get lots of plants from those seeds. My planting of those seeds was pretty careless, too. The percent of germination really surprised me. A number of pods germinated at 100%. Again, the tets didn't seem to germinate quite as well, but they also had more delayed germination. It was a relief they didn't germinate as well
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A note on the pods on LVT. LVT tends to start opening at dusk the night before the day of bloom. I had some pollen I'd collected earlier and did those daubs by opening that bloom and applying the pollen. I'm not sure that's the reason I got the two pods growing or not, but it never set one by waiting and doing it early in the morning. I expect real hybridizers have tricks they use to help. Those serious hybridizers will be the ones that can give really good advice.
