To some this is going to sound harsh and I might sound like a heretic to others but in my garden there is no room for old noids unless they have some sentimental value like being Mother's favorite. My beds are overcrowded and each year I have to cull a few plants to add something newer. I so respect the work of the committed hybridizers. Isn't it great we have freedom of choice in our own gardens. To each his own. We don't all need to love the same things.