Plant Database forum: Tulip problem

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Name: Janet Super Sleuth
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JRsbugs
May 20, 2012 2:20 PM CST
We have Tulipa batalinii with Tulipa linifolia as a synonym, I tried to add Tulipa linifolia as we don't have an entry for the straight species but the system told me we already have it which we don't.



http://garden.org/plants/search/text.php?q=Tulipa+linifolia

The Plant List gives Tulipa linifolia as accepted, with Tulipa batalinii as a synonym.

http://www.theplantlist.org/tpl/record/kew-289560

A search on the RHS gives both species, but with groups although the search for Tulipa batalinii doesn't give it as a straight species, it has only one entry for Tulipa batalinii (Batalinii Group) 'Salmon Gem' with the rest being Tulipa linifolia with (Batalinii Group) and named cultivars.

http://apps.rhs.org.uk/rhsplantfinder/plantfinder2.asp?crit=...

A search for Tulipa linifolia brings up the straight species along with the others as above except for the batalinii species cultivar, it would appear the T. batalinii one is wrong although it's been given accepted status on the RHS.

http://apps.rhs.org.uk/rhsplantfinder/plantfinder2.asp?crit=...

So, would it be appropriate to change the entry on ATP from Tulipa batalinii to Tulipa linifolia Batalinii Group and remove the synonym? Then I could add Tulipa linifolia with batalinii as a synonym. As it is I can't put Tulipa linifolia anywhere.

Do we need to add the synonym with the genus name, or just the species, this entry has both genus and species as a synonym.

Name: Evan
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eclayne
May 22, 2012 3:43 PM CST

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Hi Janet.
Is there a way to contact the RHS about the Tulipa batalinii (Batalinii Group) 'Salmon Gem'? This just doesn't make sense since T. batalinii is clearly a synonym. Maybe it's an oversight on their part. I've tried to contact them about what I believe is an Iris cultivar duplicate with no success to date.
Evan
Name: Janet Super Sleuth
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JRsbugs
May 22, 2012 4:01 PM CST
Hi Evan, I don't know if I can contact the RHS, if you haven't had a reply I doubt I will get one but I also think it's an oversight or they just don't update regularly.

I think I should make an entry for Tulipa linifolia (Batalinii Group), then move the photo to that entry as it probably belongs there but with no cultivar name. I can then delete T. batalinii, and add T. linifolia with batalinii as a synonym. What do you think?
Name: Evan
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eclayne
May 22, 2012 4:45 PM CST

Plants Admin

That sounds right to me.
Evan
Name: Janet Super Sleuth
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JRsbugs
May 22, 2012 6:06 PM CST
JRsbugs said:So, would it be appropriate to change the entry on ATP from Tulipa batalinii to Tulipa linifolia Batalinii Group and remove the synonym? Then I could add Tulipa linifolia with batalinii as a synonym. As it is I can't put Tulipa linifolia anywhere.


Or, the easier option as I first said. Hilarious!

Name: Lynn
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valleylynn
May 22, 2012 6:09 PM CST
I am so confused with the tulip naming, I just gave up. There is so much conflicting information out there.
Maybe I will get better at researching tulip this fall/winter. : )
[Last edited by valleylynn - May 25, 2012 10:17 AM (+)]
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Name: Janet Super Sleuth
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JRsbugs
May 22, 2012 6:12 PM CST
I think the Plant List is correct Lynn. Also, looking at the RHS all the other cultivars of T. linifolia belong to the Batalinii Group.
Name: Lynn
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valleylynn
May 22, 2012 6:29 PM CST
That is why I added my photo to T. linifolia (Batalinii Group).

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