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May 29, 2022 7:02 AM CST
Name: Nan
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Here is a side-by-side picture of the two plants I bought as When My Sweetheart Returns. The one on the left is from Oakes Daylilies, and the one on the right is from a place called Tulip World. I think this one was tissue-cultured.
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Here they are individually. Oakes:
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Tulip World:
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May 29, 2022 9:16 AM CST
Name: Zoia Bologovsky
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The Oakes one looks more like When My Sweetheart Returns
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May 29, 2022 11:05 AM CST
Name: Nan
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Zoia said: The Oakes one looks more like When My Sweetheart Returns


Absolutely, yes. I know that is the right plant. Its initial bloom is short, but that is often the case. Otherwise, it matches every other picture I have seen of the plant, including the pictures that sucked me in on the Tulip World site before I knew that I should buy from daylily vendors only. I bought the Oakes one to do the side-by-side comparison, and it confirms my hunch that what I received from Tulip World was either tissue-cultured or else the wrong plant.
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May 30, 2022 12:14 AM CST
Name: Sue
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DeweyRooter said: I bought the Oakes one to do the side-by-side comparison, and it confirms my hunch that what I received from Tulip World was either tissue-cultured or else the wrong plant.

The plant from Tulip World looks like a wrong plant to me. Looks like this one:
Daylily (Hemerocallis 'Mr Stipples by NLD')

I grow some daylilies from tissue-culture and the flowers and plants look exactly the same, but some of them grow slower.
My When My Sweetheart Returns is from tissue-culture:
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The exception to this rule might be Get Jiggy - got from tissue culture and shows hardly any pattern - this year I've got a 'homegrown' one from a friend that shows patterned eyes in his climate. So I can find out if it is my special climate here or a phenomenon caused by tissue-culture.
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Jun 5, 2022 4:53 PM CST
Name: Pat
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Just for the record, I'd like to emphasize that a clone is a set of vegetatively propagated plants that are presumed to be genetically identical. When we divide a daylily we are separating units of the clone.

All of our daylilies are "cloned" except ones grown directly from seeds.

There is a term for the units - ramets. And the total of all ramets, the clone, is called an ortet.

You can buy ramets but you really can't buy "a clone" unless you buy every ramet of it.

Tissue culture is a method of vegetatively propagating ramets of a clone.

As Maurice has pointed out, when actually subjected to scientific scrutiny, the occurrence of off-types is very low. Of course, if one of these off-types is repropagated it would increase their numbers.

A major hybridizer who sold some of his new hybrids to a large wholesaler which used tissue culture to increase them told me he was paid to walk the fields looking for off-types. Any he found suspicious were removed. So the responsible propagators are policing their products. They don't want to acquire a bad reputation.

I've seen claims that Stella De Oro was tissue cultured in the past. There is no proof of this I've seen. It is true however that Stella produces open pollinated pods with viable seeds that get self-sown in the fields. I've seen the fields and I've seen the pods. Of course, those seeds do not reproduce true Stella De Oro. The progenies vary in flower color, flower form, scape height, among other differences. So I do think there are off-types being sold, especially by the nurseries producing massive numbers for landscaping. And yet, I haven't seen as much variation in mass plantings of it as I expected by now. I take it as a "stay-tuned" situation.

Pat
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