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Jun 7, 2020 2:35 PM CST
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needrain said:Glad you're back @Smotzer. Have wondered where you went. Hoping to see how your plants have adapted to Texas.

Thanks! And surprisingly well, I think it helped that I moved when most everything was dormant! They are pretty much all thriving! I'll post updates on them sometime later tonight
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Jun 8, 2020 12:10 PM CST
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So I think what I'm going to share first is all the blooms I have had during this time.

First all my Adenium obesum bloomed as soon as they woke up out of dormancy but one in particular had the best continuous bloom I have ever had with any of them. At the time of the photo I had 17 open flowers on once and one or two has already fallen off and flowers on every major branch Truly incredible!!
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Next with my A. obesum's I repotted one that desperately needed a bigger home into one of my bonsai pots that an Acer palmatum lived in for a few years. Here's a before an after. This one i nicknamed my volcano due to its wide base and sweeping up and out structure. It also flowered and produced darker pink flower with not as much white and much larger than any other of my A. Obesum. First flower measured at over 3in compared with 2.5 for my normal blooms.


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Will post more blooms and updates from my Pachypodium in a bit phone is about to die.
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Here are my true Pachypodium gracilius' that woke up and are doing extremely well. One tried to flower during the drive down here to Texas, which failed but will produce forked beaching from the tips. and the other bloomed after I got here.

Here's my shorter fatter one
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Here's my taller slightly more branched guy that had a great continuous bloom!

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Very nice pics, plants and flowers! I am curious if any of the flowers turn into fruits.
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So you know with pachypodium growing when from seed you wait and you wait and you wait some more, wait as in years and years, for your weird fat little creatures to bloom and show you who they truly are, and occasionally something weird happens, this is one of those times.

I was completely stumped and left scrambling around old reports and scientific papers trying to find anything on what could have happened with my presumed P. densiflorum var. brevicaulx. I got in contact with the collector of the seeds, and we have no sure fire answer as the pollination occurred in the wild. But the locality of three species where this var. comes from is shared with cf eburneum as well.

But it is possible it is a hybrid, which I am leaning more towards due to certain characteristics of the flower structure having some traits specifically the calyx resembling the measurement in var. brevicaulx tha shape of the petals and the non overlap but the corolla resembles that of cf eburneum , so what we are leaning towards is Pachypodium densiflorum var. brevicaulx x cf ebuerneum or some mutation variation of a cf eburneum, which Is possible too, but I'm less sure about this because the flower less resembles true cf. eburneum shape and measurement. But this white color is only present in a few Pachypodium species and not yet seen var. brevicaulx, which is a distinct yellow.

If it is a mutation on P. cf eburneum that would be interesting as well because it would add a complexity to the already Undescribed and presumed species of P. cf. eburneum Either way I have harvested and stored the pollen in my fridge, to hopefully next year pollinate with a Cf eburneum and see in another many many years if this flower trait is stable.

Either way I got somewhat lucky with a flower variation!! Which from my experience with Pachypodiums, and the collector is far less common than you would think.

And even stranger was that the first flower came out as only 4 petaled.... super uncommon. Check the second photo for that uncharacteristic 4 petaled flower!!

Without further ado here's my "new" Pachypodium densiflorum var. brevicaulx x. cf eburneum. I'm going to label it in my record as this until more research is published about cf. eburneum.
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That is one happy plant! Smiling And I agree, the variation from "normal" that you have noted is kind of interesting.
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Baja_Costero said:That is one happy plant! Smiling And I agree, the variation from "normal" that you have noted is kind of interesting.


Yeah he's quite happy showing it with a great bloom!! And it's very interesting, I've had slight variations before but nothing major like this.
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Will be adding these to the plant database today, but finally got around to uploading them to my computer! @baja_costero what are the max file dimension sizes, I just realized it wont let me upload full size and quality. Would like to be able to upload the best quality when i know. Thanks in advance

Pachypodium gracilius flowers.

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Nice flowers. I like the way you can see the texture of the petals in the pictures.

Images uploaded to the database are resized to 1000 pixels wide. Anything wider than that will be reduced. I think the max file size for uploads is 10MB or 20MB (1 file at a time). I am never anywhere close to that (my pics are usually 2-3MB). If you resize to 1000 pixels you will get the fastest upload and maximum quality.
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Baja_Costero said:Nice flowers. I like the way you can see the texture of the petals in the pictures.

Images uploaded to the database are resized to 1000 pixels wide. Anything wider than that will be reduced. I think the max file size for uploads is 10MB or 20MB (1 file at a time). I am never anywhere close to that (my pics are usually 2-3MB). If you resize to 1000 pixels you will get the fastest upload and maximum quality.


And yeah they are actually quite textured!!

Great I will resize them to that size!!
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So will be uploading pics from my camera of my collection over the next couple days, finally got around to taking actual photos with my old dslr today and not my phone as usual.

But here is my surprisingly oldest and first seed grown Pachypodium cactipes coming in at around maybe 12yrs. It for a period of time grew and flowered branched heavily. It has pretty much never lost its leaves (maybe once, at most twice), it goes dormant but holds on to them, and then sheds some next growing season. Its time for a bigger pot. this guy is planted in 100% bonsai soil (Strategic choice to keep a pachy happy indoors), and gets watered every two days. This one hasn't put on a lot of size in its caudex but it sure shows its age in the fissures, creases, cracks, and wrinkles in the caudex and oldest branches!!! such character in this guy! Love it its beautiful.

I believe the reason it never put on much caudex size is this one for many many years lived indoors on my window sill. Either way hes a pretty awesome individual and hes happy being on outside pachy now, getting much more water and sunlight than ever before. Hoping I get a bloom out of him, its been quite a few years.
If you didnt know where each branch split originates is where it once flowered, so you can see it hasn't flowered in a bit but did set some good flowers earlier in its life.
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That plant is impressive, especially given it's been indoors. I like the texture on the trunk, makes it look old (which it is of course). Smiling How big is that pot? How deep is the soil?
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Yeah it makes it look really old!! Ive never really seen this type of texturing on other pachyies. Not sure if it has anything to do with being indoors or not.

Its not in a very big pot, I think its in like a 5in? I think the measurement is about a quart. It never seems to grow much in the caudex so hadn't felt the need to pot it up anymore, until it told me it needed to. Put ive been considering putting it into a nice pot this year.

I have found that with the rosulatum subspecies they do a little bit better in smaller pots, back when I was still figuring it out how to grow them properly I lost a few to overpotting. They almost seem to do better this way underpotted. I have observed them almost putting on more size in smaller pots than normal
This behavior is true for the pachyies like P. eburneum, P. denisflorum, P. brevicaule, P. hormobense (which i lost all of these) and these other related small species that seems to do better in smaller, shallower pots. But P. lamerei , P. saundersii, P. lealii, and larger species seem to appreciate more room than less.
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Heres some good shots of my Pachypodium gracilius' These are the same age but have grown and look similar but definitely different from each other. One is shorter with much thicker branches and more round fatter caudex in a smaller pot and the other is taller has a more sloping caudex and more but skinnier branches. Both flowered this year! Was hoping for some more splits in the braching, A produced two from each branch, B only produced two from two branch ends and not all 4, probably due that it tried but unsuccessfully bloomed off two in transit down here.

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Observations on growing down here. P. gracilius A seems to run though water much faster(caudex has some give after about 2-3days after watering), so its probably time for a repot, but i have over the years found that up-potting too much with this species hinders growth and caudex development, they seem to like cramped root spaces, this fits with how they grow in nature. This also helps in dormancy with soil not staying wet for extended periods of times. So I am going back and fourth on whether or not I will repot this summer, likely I will wait until spring right out of dormancy rather than repot in 100 degree weather, and just not make any changes this first season of adjusting to new environment. I believe this smaller root space could be why the two look so much different with the variation in pot size.
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Got some photos of that wierd mut "P. densiflorum brevicaulx x cf. eburneum" right at the end of its bloom. Cool looking guy! And I think this will be one of my favorite flowers for quite some time, gotta love individuality!! I think I spotted three branching initaitions from both flower stalk locations now that they have fallen off.

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Very nice. Smiling

Landscape Pachypodiums here... geayi, lamerei, sofiense (flower smells great!). First few photos from a stepladder.



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Baja_Costero said:Very nice. Smiling

Landscape Pachypodiums here... geayi, lamerei, sofiense (flower smells great!). First few photos from a stepladder.



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Awesome!! i love the new leaves that come out on the sofiense!! awesome color contast!!

Would love to one day have some pachyies in the ground! unfortunately we still get occasional freezes here in this part of texas during the winter.
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Here are some of mines
First Pic are three P. Baronii, although I'm not sure if they are Baronii Windsor's or Baronii baronii but I think they are the second one.
Second pic is P. eburneum.
Third pic is P. Rosulatum mandritsara
Fourth pic is P. Horombense
Fifth pic is P. Brevicaule
Sixth pic is not a Pachy but it is one of my favorite one. Dorstenia gigas bullata.

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I only have one Pachypodium here, a very young Pachypodium griquense.
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This summer has been so dry and heat so intense...the plant actually enjoyed getting watered daily during the heat wave period, showed more active leaf growth.
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Hello!

Just joined this forum. See my user name? I grow, rather, attempt to grow, caudex-forming plants, "fat plants".... Love reading thru the 4 pages of the comments and reading about the growing experiences of other growers.

I live in NYC. I grow my small collection of fat-plants, weather permitting, on my back deck, in full sun, broiling heat, thru rainy summers...until mid September. When night temps dip into the 50s it's time to play the plant shuffle....plants out in full sunny days, and back into my warm kitchen at night. In, out, in out. My neighbors think I'm insane. They might be right.

So, for about the last ten years, or so...I discovered that it takes me a lot longer to kill water storing caudex forming, fat-plants. So far, most have survived, but can't manage to keep most Adeniums alive for more than a few years. It's their long dormant period that ruins my efforts. This year my caudex plants will go under high intensity CFL lights, in an effort to prevent plants from shutting down completely. The chlorophyll loaded stems, branches, and caudex sections will hopefully continue to synthesize food and keep plants nourished thru my long winters, until they can be returned to my back deck, next spring. I hope the light set-up does the job. I just bought a very expensive Adenium socotranum specimen, and I'd like to keep it alive for a while. I am insane.


Interesting to read thru all the postings. In addition to trying to grow Adeniums, I also grow Uncarina peltata, Bursera fagaroides, Operculicarya pachypus, and Pachycormus discolor. The Bursera, Uncarina, and Operc. are doing very well. The Operc was bought as a wire-thin seedling, and within 5-6 years it now has a a trunk that's almost 2" in diameter. I trained it to look like a bonsai- Baobab. All the branches were wired to form a broom-like rack above a 12" trunk. In a few years, this "tree"... mini-Baobab ...will be quite a show specimen.

Bursera f. is also a winner in my growing conditions. Planty of new growth throughout the summer months, leaves turn yellow in cooler, Sept, then completely drop off, leaving the plant bare and quiescent thru the long winter. I mist the bare plant and mist the growing medium thru the winter months, but no water at the roots is given until buds start to swell the following April.

Operc p. gets the same treatment as the Bursera f. After onset of dormancy, mistings only, little or no water at the roots.

I strive to keep the dormant plants hydrated to prevent set backs and shriveling, soft caudices. Adeniums are the first to shrivel and last to break dormancy. Terrible plants in my growing conditions....and very easy to rot. I pray the $$$$$$$$$$$ A. socotranum is a little easier to keep alive...but I got my fingers crossed.

Lousy plants: Pachycormus discolor, and Cyphostemma juttae. Both just sit there, don't grow, do nothing. The Cyphostemma lays dormant at least 10 months! it's an ugly plant when not in leaf. The plastic-textured leaves grow to full size with a few week, it flowers, sets seeds, then dormant period starts again. The plant doesn't grow. After the leaves drop off any new growth at the tips id the branches, dries and shrivels, then drops off. The plant stays the same size for years and never gains any new length at the branch tips. Too boring for me. I gave the plant the heave ho years ago. Pachycormus d. looks exactly the same as it did, years ago when I bought it. Very little growth, branches are brittle, stiff, and will crack if wired and bent. Strictly a clip and grow bonsai...but the plant doesn't grow!

Best for last; Uncarina peltata. Quick grower, plenty of beautiful yellow flowers and the black dot in the center of the yellow flowers make the flowers very showy. Easy peasy, the plant gets fat, fast, and rewards the grower with a long-lasting flower show. Bought my Uncarina plant last season and already, in just one summer out on the back deck, the trunk doubled in diameter. Much better and far easier to grow well than any Adenium, and just at showy when in flower.

All my CONTAINERIZED succulent fat plants are growing in the standard, classic, quick-draining, gritty mix....with the addition of some activated bone-charcoal pellets, and a few handful of crushed oyster and egg shells. I buy the crushed oyster shells, but crush my own egg shells when I make an omelette. Do these additions help? Who knows? I also use Espoma Tree-Tone Organic Fertilizer....but, it smells bad. I add a few tablespoons to the growing medium, in early spring. By September the stink is gone when plants are brought back inside for the winter months. I wish I could grow plants in ground, in an ideal climate. But...I do what I can. Plant failures are part of the game.

The plants when growing on my back deck, get very little supplemental water. Rain, waters my plants. Sometimes I do mist the plants, when the sun is broiling hot, just to cool off the containers. Hot root zones are not good for containerized plants. Fat-plants hate cooked roots.

I enjoy growing fatties....but never tried Pachypodiums...yet.

Happy growing!
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