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Nov 23, 2013 7:05 PM CST
Name: Juli
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@dave
while on the subject of reviews, I wish there was a way to click something in a review to "request a change"

for example, the review for
"Crintonic"

For people looking down through the list, they might not know what Crintonic is.
If I had listed Crintonic, I would have put Crintonic Daylily Garden, or Crintonic Gardens (Daylilies). It's obvious once you click on it, but when you see it in the master list of Recommendations, it's not clear what "Crintonic" does or sells or what it is.
Since the owner made up the word Crintonic, no one is going to understand what it is, unless you are already familiar with the garden.

But, lets use a different example. Lets say that I am looking at the listing for XYZ Seed company. I realize that the website for the company is the old one and is a broken link, and would like to request a change, and give the new website address, if I know what it is - or just notify a moderator that the link is broken. There is no where to click and have a window come up to request an update to the information, that a moderator could then check and change the info. I think it would be nice to have it work more like the database does in this regard.

I hope that makes sense -- it has been a long day…. Whistling
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Nov 23, 2013 7:39 PM CST
Name: Ann ~Heat zn 9, Sunset
North Fl. (Zone 8b)
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Juli makes some good points there & I agree
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Nov 23, 2013 7:39 PM CST
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You could simply start a new thread in the Site Forum with the request (this way others then see that this is a way to get these kind of requests in) or you can use the 'Contact' link at the bottom of every page.
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Nov 23, 2013 7:47 PM CST
Name: greene
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Help me out here, please. If someone writes a review or recommendation of a company they have dealt with, that is their opinion, right?
Are we supposed to 'thumbs up' their opinion? What would that even mean? That we agree with their opinion or that we think the company is a good or bad company? If someone is too busy to write a decent review or recommendation- positive or negative - of a company


@Bonehead is right. I will also stay out of this.
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Nov 23, 2013 7:58 PM CST
Name: woofie
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Seems to me that Dave mentioned a while back that he was planning on making some major renovations to the Recommendations area at some point. I know there are a number of additions and improvements I'd like to see, and there are some good suggestions here. Perhaps when he's ready to revamp the Recommendations, Dave will start a thread for us to chime in? hint, hint? Smiling
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Nov 23, 2013 9:22 PM CST
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Name: Michele Roth
N.E. Indiana - Zone 5b, and F (Zone 9b)
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Ah! I think I'm able to see now that I've caused confusion by asking for the thumbsup. I often use it as a way of saying thank you to the poster for taking the time to share knowledge or information that really helps me out. I never even thought about it being applied to the original poster's opinion. *Blush* Sorry for the mix up. What I'd really like to be able to do is to say thank you without starting a thread for each one that says something like, "Thank you for sharing this! I didn't know where to find such-and-such plant, and now I do! ", and answered with, "You're welcome". I probably wouldn't have known about or used the company before and wouldn't have much more to talk about at that point, so the thread would likely end there. (Once I'd used the company and was happy with it I'd then write my own recommendation, so I'd likely forget to revisit the thread I'd started, anyway.)
Originally, I'd thought that the thumbsup would be a way to express my appreciation of the knowledge I'd gained, plus, it would offer the additional bonus of being a way to mark it to track it back when it was the proper time to order merchandise.



Thanks, greene, for helping to clear up my confusion. Smiling Now that I'm seeing this from a different angle, the thread method does seem to be the best way to go.
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Nov 23, 2013 9:50 PM CST
Name: greene
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Sometimes I use the Tree-mail to let people know why I added a thumbs up or why I gave them acorns.

I normally don't rely on recommendations of others anyway because there are too many variables.
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Nov 24, 2013 6:17 PM CST
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Name: Dave Whitinger
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Chelle, I think I understand exactly what you're asking for and I agree with the need.

It's true: I'm going to revamp this feature. And that's a good thing. Often I'll make a feature and make it someone barebones until I see whether it really is used or not. If it's used a lot, then I'll go back and add more bells and whistles in line with what it seems is needed.

Recommendations is being used a lot and I'm really happy about that. And this means that we now need a lot of things added to it to bring it up to a world class feature. Smiling It's coming, very soon.
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Nov 24, 2013 6:29 PM CST
Thread OP
Name: Michele Roth
N.E. Indiana - Zone 5b, and F (Zone 9b)
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Thanks, Dave! I tip my hat to you.
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Nov 24, 2013 7:38 PM CST
Name: Lynn
Oregon City, OR (Zone 8b)
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Hurray! Wahoo. I can't wait to see what you do Dave. Hurray!
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Jan 6, 2014 8:57 PM CST
Name: Rick Corey
Everett WA 98204 (Zone 8a)
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Here's a half-baked idea for Recommendations.

It is true that any one vendor may fit into many categories or excel in certain narrow ways but be average in many other ways. So they can't be cleanly sorted into groups like "vegetable seed vendor" or "mostly sells plugs of ornamental perennials".

And yet, it would be nice to have somewhere to look when you have a specific need, and find vendors who do excel at that one thing.

Something like multiple lists of very specific thumbs.

I can think of two ways for members to input this kind of info. One way would be for each vendor listing to have a button for "enter specific thumbs". That would then open to a page listing a big multi-level outline of all the kinds of recommendations that we can all think of.

Each member could cast more than one vote at more than one level. They might praise a company for its vegetable seeds, or only for its tomato seeds, or only its heirloom tomato seeds, or only its heirlooms for containers.

Or peppers, hot peppers, stuffing peppers, or sweet Italian frying peppers.

It seems very desirable to me to have two methods of entering recommendations. Some people will know one company that is great at something, and want to give that company that very specific recommendation even if they have to create a new leaf with only one member. But then someone else will see the category, and know of places that belong in it.


The top level outline would be very general, like Seeds, Plants, Tools, Mulch, potting mix, irrigation equipment, organic fertilizers,

The next level down would be fairly general, maybe vegetable seeds, ornamental seeds, vegetable plants, ornamental plants, cover crop seeds, bulbs and rhizomes, "Tools" might differentiate into seed-starting, shears, gloves, orchard, livestock, etc.

The next level would be even more specific, like specific kinds of plants (alpines, succulents, shrubbery ...) or specific vegetables (tomatoes, peppers, lettuce, corn ...)


Someone could give a website a thumb for vegetable seeds in general, and tomato plants in particular. If it went that deep, they could give a thumbs-up to grafted, greenhouse tomato plants, or Salvia plants in plug trays, or dwarf fruit trees for southern states.

Whenever a specific category did not exist, the member could either give the thumb to the next-higher level, or create a sub-division.

The other way to give thumbs would be to cruise the outline itself, and find or create a leaf in the outline for the thing that was your specialty. For example, "good selection of recently developed lettuce varieties with unusual disease resistances".

One person might think that was only a one-company leaf, say http://www.bakkerbrothers.nl/p..., and create it mostly as a joke. But then someone else might know that Johnnies does pretty well at that and make it a two-company leaf. Next thing you know, multiple obscure companies are more easily findable.

if members could add leaves themselves, the outline would grow and differentiate in areas where there was the most interest.

There must be some ATP member who is a connoisseur of almost any given unusual garden interest, and knows exactly where to look for the things that no one else even knows to look for. If they could create the category as well as fill it, the very detailed structure might be self-assembling.
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Jan 6, 2014 10:00 PM CST
Name: Lynn
Oregon City, OR (Zone 8b)
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That is an interesting concept Rick.
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Jan 6, 2014 10:46 PM CST
Name: greene
Savannah, GA (Sunset 28) (Zone 8b)
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Whoa, normally I fall asleep trying to follow some of Rick's ideas (sorry, just being honest; I have a short attention span and am dyslexic) but I under stood the whole thing and I agree. I can see this being a useful tool. I like the idea of 'leaves' being added - the more leaves in a given category, the better 'we' like them. Thanks.
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Jan 6, 2014 11:32 PM CST
Name: Deb
Planet Earth (Zone 8b)
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OMG, you folks just don't turn off your brains at night, do you? I'll look forward to whatever happens.

P.S. My interpretation for OMG is oh my gosh and WTF is why the frown. Just keeping it clean...
I want to live in a world where the chicken can cross the road without its motives being questioned.
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Jan 6, 2014 11:36 PM CST
Name: Rick Corey
Everett WA 98204 (Zone 8a)
Sunset Zone 5. Koppen Csb. Eco 2f
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>> normally I fall asleep trying to follow some of Rick's ideas

I'm sorry too, but that made me laugh! Rolling on the floor laughing

Mary, you have to practice reaching for the page-down key before I make your eyes close all the way! I think the trick is to rest one finger gently on page-down so that, as you nod forward, you push the key and the sleep-inducing text goes away!

I agree

i live in trembling fear that some day Dave will start charging me by the word.

I know that most of my suggestions are impractical (or actually undesirable due to complexity and limited value). But in my opinion, software design has a kind of alchemy where 4-5 silly or impractical ideas can be combined into one good idea!

Or, more likely, the bad ideas may stimulate a totally different good idea. Just by saying "That won't work because ...", the "because" may trigger a thought that might trigger something else.

And when we write here in ATP, I never need to fear that some manager will turn to me and say "Yeah, right, Rick, sure. Now make that work in a way that the customer will like and find easy to use. You have one week."

In this case, if there is some way to enable the members to grow it and differentiate it in directions that interest them, it might self-organize into something that doesn't exist elsewhere. Everything from Facebook to Twitter lets you click on one site and say "I like this" .

But it would be nice to have our own version of Amazon's feature "people who liked THAT also bought THIS". If someone who is interested in left-handed, red-headed day-lilies sees that we already have a list of places that offer good left-handed day-lilies, she may well contribute her knowledge of red-headed ones.

Thereby adding to the total sum of human knowledge, and perhaps ATP members.
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Jan 6, 2014 11:38 PM CST
Name: Rick Corey
Everett WA 98204 (Zone 8a)
Sunset Zone 5. Koppen Csb. Eco 2f
Frugal Gardener Garden Procrastinator I helped beta test the first seed swap Plant and/or Seed Trader Seed Starter Region: Pacific Northwest
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>> OMG, you folks just don't turn off your brains at night, do you?

So THAT'S what my problem is! I wake up sometimes, smelling burning wood, and don't know where it came from. Then in the morning my battery is run down and I can't start my engine.

Thanks for the tip!
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Jan 6, 2014 11:45 PM CST
Name: greene
Savannah, GA (Sunset 28) (Zone 8b)
I have no use for internet bullies!
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If we had an emoticon of someone snoozing with his/her head on a comfy pillow and little ZZZs to indicate a snoring noise, would it be called the 'snooze button'?

Yep, I need to take my body to bed now because my brain is already asleep.
G'night all.
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Jan 6, 2014 11:47 PM CST
Name: Rick Corey
Everett WA 98204 (Zone 8a)
Sunset Zone 5. Koppen Csb. Eco 2f
Frugal Gardener Garden Procrastinator I helped beta test the first seed swap Plant and/or Seed Trader Seed Starter Region: Pacific Northwest
Photo Contest Winner: 2014 Avid Green Pages Reviewer Garden Ideas: Master Level Garden Sages I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database! I helped plan and beta test the plant database.
It could be a variation on this guy.

Rolling on the floor laughing

>> Yep, I need to take my body to bed now because my brain is already asleep.
>> G'night all.

Same here.

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