Plant ID forum: Unknown Rose

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Name: Cameron Allen
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TexasPlumeria87
Feb 3, 2013 8:59 PM CST
I bought a mislabeled rose 3 years ago from Lowes. It was labeled White Lady Banks Rose but it has thorns. It blooms only once in Spring, and its a very vigorous plant. I was wondering if anyone could ID it? The blooms have a very slight fragrance to them, but its not really noticeable. I've pruned it several times since I've had it, and it grows incredibly fast and large.









Name: Jay
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Horntoad
Feb 3, 2013 9:02 PM CST
White Lady Banks has thorns.
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TexasPlumeria87
Feb 3, 2013 9:03 PM CST
Wow I didn't know that. Thanks Jay.
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Calif_Sue
Feb 4, 2013 12:15 AM CST

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Horntoad said:White Lady Banks has thorns.


Sorry, I beg to differ. All the online and printed sources report that all four varieties of Rosa banksiae are normally thornless.
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TexasPlumeria87
Feb 4, 2013 5:50 AM CST
Is it a possibility its another type of of rose Sue?
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Horntoad
Feb 4, 2013 6:13 AM CST
All these pages say it has thorns. The first one says it is called “Fortuniana”.

http://cals.arizona.edu/mohave/master_gardeners/lake_havasu/...

http://www.monrovia.com/plant-catalog/plants/2455/white-lady...

http://www.ph-rose-gardens.com/00108.htm

http://www.examiner.com/article/plant-of-the-week-lady-banks...

http://www.paghat.com/banksrose.html
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Name: Jean
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Moonhowl
Feb 4, 2013 9:16 AM CST
I agree with Jay...from sad personal experience I can attest to thorns on the white Lady Banks....when I worked with a landscape company, one client had a LB white that she wanted removed as it had taken over....we unfortunately went with the idea that it was, like "Lutea" thornless......it didn't take but a couple minutes to discover our error, but quite a lot longer to remove dozens of small thorns from skin and clothes.
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TexasPlumeria87
Feb 4, 2013 10:52 AM CST
Mine definitely looks like Fortuniana. Thanks so much. I'm glad I have a name to my rose.
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Calif_Sue
Feb 4, 2013 11:57 AM CST

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Fortuniana, aka Hybrid Banksia, introduced by Robert Fortune in the UK in 1845 and often labeled as a Lady Banks white http://www.helpmefind.com/rose/l.php?l=2.2810

and White Lady Banks aka Rosa banksiae banksiae, introduced in 1807 (Tall, climbing, thornless) http://www.helpmefind.com/gardening/l.php?l=2.5264.12

are 2 different plants, obviously easily confused by using common names.

Fortuniana is probably one of the healthiest roses around, it has small double white violet scented blooms.The canes are gawky and need support, growing into a straggling, scrambling climber. It is mentioned that it has few prickles, not entirely thornless. It is quite similar to Rosa banksiae except that all it's parts are larger. The flowers are somewhat messy close-up and much larger than other banksians and sometimes display a button eye. It is widely used as rootstock in warmer tropical areas with sandy soils and the southeastern corner of the US, Florida being the most popular.

White Lady Banks was the first Banksian rose to be introduced to the West in 1807 by William Kent, who worked for the director of Kew, Sir Joseph Banks. It has large clusters of very double flowers, also violet scented, and is enormously vigorous and is the one grown in Tombstone.
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Name: Cameron Allen
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TexasPlumeria87
Feb 4, 2013 1:22 PM CST
Thanks everyone for the information. Last year it didn't bloom much for some reason. I really look forward to seeing blooms on it again this year. Its the only rose I have in my garden and I'm amazed at how well it tolerated the drought and extreme heat.

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