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Mar 14, 2013 5:21 PM CST
Name: Greg Colucci
Seattle WA (Zone 8b)
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Jackie you're doing great!!! It is not unusual that people have to replant stuff either because it doesn't look right or things were planted together that shouldn't be, or they outgrow the pot! So it really is all part of this plant obsession thing! nodding I spend lots on soil and rocks/sand/perlite and chicken grit! I tip my hat to you.
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Mar 14, 2013 5:57 PM CST
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Name: Jackie
Michigan (Zone 5b)
Cactus and Succulents Container Gardener
gg5 said:Jackie you're doing great!!! It is not unusual that people have to replant stuff either because it doesn't look right or things were planted together that shouldn't be, or they outgrow the pot! So it really is all part of this plant obsession thing! nodding I spend lots on soil and rocks/sand/perlite and chicken grit! I tip my hat to you.


Thank you Greg....i am trying here. This weekend I am going to go and get some Miracle Grow potting mix, pumice, and chicken grit. I will go ahead and after Ive wrote out a list of all my plants will try and see which belongs with which. Maybe you guys can help me put that together Smiling
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Mar 14, 2013 8:29 PM CST
Name: Greg Colucci
Seattle WA (Zone 8b)
Sempervivums Sedums Plant Lover: Loves 'em all! Cactus and Succulents Container Gardener Garden Ideas: Level 1
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That's a good idea! Also, don't know what advice you were given but I'll just say what I do...I have several pots of succulents that don't have holes in the bottoms, I didn't use rocks in the bottom of the pots, because I did read that rocks can keep in too much moisture.
I did use vermiculite and soil at a 50/50 combination. Now I just am very careful that when I water they only get a very small sip! Seriously only afew tablespoons. The plants are looking just as well as my other plants I tip my hat to you.
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Mar 15, 2013 4:35 AM CST
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Name: Jackie
Michigan (Zone 5b)
Cactus and Succulents Container Gardener
Oh No Maybe I'm putting to many stones in the bottoms of my window boxes? I'm wondering about Why people seem to use pumice alot mixed in with their potting mix soil and chicken grit. Maybe I'm doing a bad combo for my boxes with No holes. I have alot o do this weekend.first starting with the list of the ones that i have.
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Mar 15, 2013 11:39 AM CST
Name: Bev
Salem OR (Zone 8a)
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Jookie, don't despair. Succulents probably aren' good candidates for planters without holes but it has been done and worked for some because they have certain conditions and watering routines to accomodate that. Your window box is probably ok for now to hold everything until spring comes and you decide to regroup but you need like Greg said to be cautious with the watering because evaporation is probably not much and for an extended period of time there will be water buildup on the bottom. You probably feel you need to keep everything in one place till you figure out your take care of plants schedule given that some plants need different conditions. That's OK for now. Smiling
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Mar 15, 2013 2:05 PM CST
Name: Greg Colucci
Seattle WA (Zone 8b)
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I agree totally agree ;)
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Mar 18, 2013 7:41 PM CST
Name: Sheryl
Hot, hot, hot, Feenix, AZ (Zone 9b)
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Okay, I expect that a lot of folks won't agree with this, *but* .....

Unfortunately, putting rocks in the bottom of your pots does not help drainage in the least. For those of you who understand capillary action, that is the reasoning behind that statement. For those who don't.... well, I'm afraid I don't think I could give a very coherent explanation, so I won't add to any confusion!

What will help is mixing the rocks (or perlite, or sand ....) throughout your mix.

Greg, I thought vermiculite increased water retention?
In the end, only kindness matters.

Science is not the answer, it is the question.


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Mar 18, 2013 8:05 PM CST
Name: Greg Colucci
Seattle WA (Zone 8b)
Sempervivums Sedums Plant Lover: Loves 'em all! Cactus and Succulents Container Gardener Garden Ideas: Level 1
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Sheryl, yes I sometimes still do a thin layer of pea gravel on the bottom of my pot (really its out of habit, no scientific reason!) My thinking is that when the roots get long enough to get down there, they'll have a bit of water to absorb Green Grin!
I don't know what is actually happening I just know that when I use perlite, the pot looks drier between watering and my plants seem to appreciate it too.
Just in the past month I've begun to use chicken grit (crushed granite) mixed in, regular potting soil, with perlite added - I don't really measure anything.
Totally notice a difference with the plants once this chicken grit has been used!! (I do mix it throughout the soil, on my indoor plants I haven't used it as a top dressing, only my sempervivums - which are outdoors)
Hope that clears up questions? More than anything, the huge shift happened when I stopped watering the indoor succulents! Even the little cuttings, I am very light on the water I tip my hat to you. Lovey dubby
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Mar 19, 2013 6:28 AM CST
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Name: Jackie
Michigan (Zone 5b)
Cactus and Succulents Container Gardener
Me too thanks to you all I just do a light misting once in awhile when I feel they are ready for some water Smiling I wasn't able to find any chicken grit on my HD or Lowes. Where do you purchase that at?
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Mar 19, 2013 6:56 AM CST
Name: Jennifer
48036 MI (Zone 6b)
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Jackie TSC probably has it or any feed store will
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Mar 19, 2013 7:40 AM CST
Thread OP
Name: Jackie
Michigan (Zone 5b)
Cactus and Succulents Container Gardener
Ohhh yes I totally forgot about Tractor Supply. Thanks!
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Mar 19, 2013 8:34 AM CST
Name: Sheryl
Hot, hot, hot, Feenix, AZ (Zone 9b)
Region: Southwest Gardening Charter ATP Member Keeps Horses Dog Lover Cat Lover Permaculture
Butterflies Birds Cottage Gardener Herbs I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database! Irises
Wish I still had them - left 'em when I left Tennessee.

The mix we use when re-potting anything cacti at the botanical gardens is cactus soil with equal parts of perlite. Then the boss throws in a bag of gypsum. Everything is top-dressed with a layer of gravel, mostly to hold the new plant in place and to create a barrier to evaporation. Of course, we're in a *very* low humidity environment 70% of the time, so for the really dry stuff, it works. But something even leaner might work for those of you with humidity. Jookie, that doesn't mean you if you have them inside still - that is dry, dry, dry with the heater running, right?
In the end, only kindness matters.

Science is not the answer, it is the question.


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Mar 19, 2013 10:48 AM CST
Thread OP
Name: Jackie
Michigan (Zone 5b)
Cactus and Succulents Container Gardener
Yeah my house isnt to to dry right now. I run the humidifier in the winter in our living room to keep some moisture in the air and for my allergies. I have perlite but havent heard of the gypsum before Sheryl.
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Mar 19, 2013 5:39 PM CST
Name: Greg Colucci
Seattle WA (Zone 8b)
Sempervivums Sedums Plant Lover: Loves 'em all! Cactus and Succulents Container Gardener Garden Ideas: Level 1
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Sheryl and all, chicken grit (just in case you don't know - I didn't know until holding the bag and reading the side only about a month ago) is crushed granite, so it not only helps with keeping the soil balanced, it has nutrients that most of the succulents love!!! I use the #1 very crushed particles, so when it mixes with the soil its really rich and nice!! Highly recommend it for any area that is wet! I tip my hat to you.
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Mar 19, 2013 6:37 PM CST
Thread OP
Name: Jackie
Michigan (Zone 5b)
Cactus and Succulents Container Gardener
Greg.... I will be making a trip over to the TSC this weekend to look for some myself!!! I was wondering what it was. I know that chickens have to eat stones with their food so it is digested correctly Smiling
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Mar 19, 2013 6:57 PM CST
Thread OP
Name: Jackie
Michigan (Zone 5b)
Cactus and Succulents Container Gardener
Will this work for my succulent mix?

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Mar 19, 2013 7:45 PM CST
Name: Greg Colucci
Seattle WA (Zone 8b)
Sempervivums Sedums Plant Lover: Loves 'em all! Cactus and Succulents Container Gardener Garden Ideas: Level 1
Garden Art Birds Dog Lover Cat Lover Region: Pacific Northwest Hummingbirder
Jackie - yep this is perfect! (hopefully at the store you find some less expensive...that's about the cost that I'm paying here in the city (Seattle) so I'd expect it to be less expensive where you are!) It truly is amazing stuff! I tip my hat to you.
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Mar 19, 2013 8:14 PM CST
Thread OP
Name: Jackie
Michigan (Zone 5b)
Cactus and Succulents Container Gardener
Awesome!!!! And yes my hubby keeps telling me to make sure I let everyone supply know that he had mentioned tractor supply company last weekend lol..... i will go grab some this weekend then and hopefully it will be cheaper there as well.
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Mar 19, 2013 8:36 PM CST
Name: Greg Colucci
Seattle WA (Zone 8b)
Sempervivums Sedums Plant Lover: Loves 'em all! Cactus and Succulents Container Gardener Garden Ideas: Level 1
Garden Art Birds Dog Lover Cat Lover Region: Pacific Northwest Hummingbirder
Ha - pat on the back to your hubby! I tip my hat to you. nodding
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Mar 20, 2013 6:30 AM CST
Thread OP
Name: Jackie
Michigan (Zone 5b)
Cactus and Succulents Container Gardener
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