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Oct 26, 2022 8:39 AM CST
Name: Tiffany purpleinopp
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I try to listen to music on its own merit, not compared to other music, but that is not always easy to do. There is no genrรฉ of music that I would say "I don't like that kind of music." There are so many things that can make a piece of music great. I like so many different songs and types of music for as many different reasons. Anyone playing an instrument really well, singing beautifully, performing a complicated piece well, an entire orchestra playing something with all of their emotions, toe-tapping marching band, funny or uplifting lyrics, catchy bouncy beat, telling a story, telling about the past, soothing qualities, fun to whistle along, commiseration with grief or fond memories, and balls-to-the-walls head banging are all things I appreciate at various times.

Talented artists making current songs? Lady Gaga is definitely a very talented artist, whether her music suits one's style or not. Beyoncรฉ amazes me but I have no idea if she writes her songs or not. Kid Rock is still kicking A**. Bryson Gray impresses me. Neon Trees comes to mind, and I know there are others.

Like others have said, I admire that supposedly Taylor Swift writes her own songs. There are a couple of her songs that I really like. How can anyone not wanna tap their toe to Shake it Off? There is not enough music like this these days, to tell the youth that there is hope, you'll be OK, get out there and try and do your thing and don't worry about the haters hatin'.

People keep asking what is wrong with the youth of today and I keep saying the most obvious problem is the music. Most of the new songs I hear are angry, pessimistic, talentless, uninspiring, disrespectful to humanity, and/or completely lacking any worthwhile qualities. I wonder how different my life would have been if there hadn't been the backbone an almost constant soundtrack of happy, hopeful music. Think about how different the current music situation is from the 90's, 80's, 70's, 60's, any decade before the turn of the century.

We are in a current musical desert but I believe a storm is coming soon. This can't last, I'm sure there is a lot of young talent out there and I look forward to hearing more from them soon.
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Oct 26, 2022 9:19 AM CST
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"People keep asking what is wrong with the youth of today "

Didn't people ask that question since ancient times?? Smiling
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Oct 26, 2022 9:33 AM CST
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Well, I'm a part of that "youth today", and I can tell you that there definitely is a problem that hasn't been present since ancient times. I've seen the present youth up close, and I've read about the youth a century agoโ€ฆdefinitely would prefer the youth a century ago.
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Oct 26, 2022 9:37 AM CST
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Johannian said: I've read about the youth a century agoโ€ฆdefinitely would prefer the youth a century ago.


I agree
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Oct 26, 2022 9:40 AM CST
Name: Tiffany purpleinopp
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Yes Ursula, that is what they say, but I think there's a difference currently. Being disrespectful, apathetic, and/or vulgar vs. what too many of the youth of today are doing (actual crime, with dead and wounded victims) are worlds apart. Music has traditionally provided ample positive and hopeful messages for those who seek them, but optimism and hope are rare in what I hear of today's music.
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Oct 26, 2022 10:00 AM CST
Name: Orion
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The music does not make the people. The people make the music.
Music is like poetry or tv. It reflects society at that time.

If current society is pessimistic, then the music will be a reflection of that.
People choose music based on their mood. If you are angry, you will prefer angry music because it "gets you". Music becomes popular, not because it is good, but because a lot of people buy it as it reflects themselves. That is the part that is considered "good", rather than musical ability which is pretty equal across the board.

However playing angry music to a happy person will not make them angry (other than angry that they do not want to hear it).

Indeed, playing happy bouncy music to an angry person may make them even angrier, because it is annoying like nails on a chalkboard. Like being in a bad mood when a happy chipper person wants to chat to you, you just want them to go away (or imagine performing violent acts upon them).

As the saying goes "Sometimes its OK to not be OK". We all need angry music, sad music, happy music, for different times when we are these ways inside.

Hopeful music is rarer than unicorns thesedays, as society is not hopeful for the future. Wars, terrible weather events, increasing prices, sunken retirement possibilities, the concept of job stability gone for good.......
Not a whole lot of future to be hopeful about.
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Oct 26, 2022 10:58 AM CST
Name: Tiffany purpleinopp
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That last kind of aligns with my point. Those things have always been going on, but the future is unwritten. Your future is what you make of it and anyone can succeed. Be yourself, it's your thing do what you wanna do, nothing's going to stop me. That attitude is on life support.
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Oct 26, 2022 11:36 AM CST
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I've an opinion about contemporary pop singers, many of whom actually cannot sing, let alone sing in tune or hold long tones.

As far as their fans go, they actually don't care. It doesn't matter, as they can sing just as well, (or badly). So it's a sort "kindred spirit situation."
"I don't mind if you don't like my manners, I don't like 'em myself. They're pretty bad. I grieve over them on long winter evenings." (Philip Marlowe to Vivian Rutledge).
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Oct 26, 2022 1:57 PM CST
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I used to believe that anyone can succeed, too, Tiffany. Unfortunately, the field is not equal. Some people are set up for failure. Just the bad luck of being born poor means your chances of going to college diminish rapidly. Sighing!

Whereas the luck of being born pretty (or even born tall), doors are thrown open for you, without you needing to put in any effort at all.

I do like the "go go go" attitude however. This is why I find young people refreshing, they are still optimistic, for the most part. Teen-bop music reflects that carefree optimism I think, even today.
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Oct 26, 2022 2:25 PM CST
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That is true, Orion. The unfortunate thing too, is that a person who is born unattractive and/or poor is brought up hearing from the media that everyone's equal, and will receive the same treatment. Then, they get very angry when they become older, because they find out the hard way that that isn't true. It's a very sad thing, but it happens. Of course, someone's bad or unfortunate attributes should not stop them from trying their best, but in a world like Earth, people are (and have been for history) cruel. A key example is the public schools today. The "ugly" kid gets made fun of, or even in recent cases, physically beat up. Of course, the attractive ones are the popular ones, so they get by just fine.

Regarding music, I've been listening to Brahms's 2nd Piano Concerto. It's a recording by Wilhelm Furtwรคngler from 1942. The audio isn't that great, but the concerto is amazing.
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Oct 26, 2022 3:07 PM CST
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One German word (Ohrwurm) "Earworm" has stuck with me as a great way to describe a song that gets stuck in your head, and you cannot shake. It has happened to all of us I am sure, at some point in time. It may not even be a song we like, but it rattles around inside our brain. I teach everyone this word as English has not an equivalent single word. Thought I would pass this on to you guys, too.

It is fun to steal words from other languages. French people I know said there were no equivalent words for "upside down" or "inside out" in French, so they use those English ones. In Japanese, some English-ised words I have also heard include "Air-con", and "Backpack" (said with a Japanese flourish). Chinese people say "bye-bye" at the end of a phone call in Chinese. English has pilfered quite a few from other languages, also.

Language itself is a type of music. Thumbs up
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Oct 26, 2022 3:38 PM CST
Name: Tiffany purpleinopp
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Of course the field isn't equal. But if we were to aim for that, at what point should it be required to be equal? At birth? At age 18? Please ask yourself, if everyone I know is broke but I am loaded and I want everyone I know to be equal, and I give each $100, for how long will the equality last? By tomorrow, the equality will be gone. Some will have spent it on something consumable. Some will have invested it. Some will have put it in the bank. A couple can't remember where they put it. Some will have paid a bill. Some will have bought something they can use to make more $. Some gave it somebody else who they thought needed it more. So would we need to re-equalize every 30 mins? Daily?

Will those who still have their $ be upset if others are given more because the others spent theirs and needed more to be "equal?" Or would equality manifest as not allowing anyone to spend unless everyone agreed to spend in the identical way? Or manifest as having to buy a red dress for everyone because Gertrude got one? Will some people be forced to die their hair, shave their head to match the bald guy? Be stretched to become taller? What weight will everyone be required to maintain? Yes, it's getting silly, but just following the thought to see where it could go. I doubt there would be equality of opinion about how far is too far, and where to draw the line and agree that some differences are good, and what they are. Equality of opportunity is good, but equality of outcome is impossible and ridiculous because humans can't and don't want to all do the same things or in the same way.

And what will we do about people who don't want to make any effort? How will they be forced to be equal? Will everyone else have to lower their standards to meet the apathetic, or will everyone else have to do more so there is some left over to prop up the apathetic?

And people are not equally endowed, but each is equally important. Being ugly or pretty or tall are of little importance in the big picture. And these things are not 100% good or bad, everything is a gray area and subjective to the circumstance. What if being pretty manifests as not being taken seriously at an important moment? Or manifests as a later obsession about your aging appearance? What if the thrown-open doors lead to undesirable things? What if being ugly manifests as not worrying if you are genuinely loved? What if being tall manifests as bumping your head a lot? What if having an easy life manifests as falling apart when you're finally faced with a challenging situation? I think it's fun to play a little backyard baseball, but I'm not upset that I wasn't born physically equipped to do that as a profession. I have used what I have, how I can, and lived my life, not somebody else's idea of what my life should be, like I always knew I would, mostly because music told me I would if I put forth an effort.

If everybody was the same, with the same attributes, we would be robots, not people. Differences are good, not liabilities. Wanting things you don't have never killed anybody and I prefer to focus on being grateful for what I do have. I don't want somebody else's money, or face, or house, although I do dream about a little more space, a little more time, a return policy on wrinkles, not having to worry if my family will get sick. Why choose to spend time on the half-empty part of the glass? I believe that you get what you give, and I can't control anything but what I am doing, so the most important thing I can do is to be decent and honorable to other people.
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Oct 26, 2022 4:00 PM CST
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There are some things governments can do to reduce the massive gap between richest and poorest. It only takes a very simple law - inheritance taxes. If large enough, inheritance taxes means money will not accumulate in families, stopping families getting wealthier and wealthier with every generation.

Also, making college free for all citizens that are smart enough (paid for by said taxes above). I do wish for a meritocracy where people should be able to do well if they work hard. That is not currently the case.

So, I guess your "anyone can succeed" statement should come with a disclaimer: "depending on how you define success".

Thinking of uplifting music one earworm song popped into mind "Something inside so strong", by Labi Siffre. That one does help you get through a dark day.
I have never seen the music video (not a fan of them - I prefer just the music), but it is here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?...
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Oct 26, 2022 4:02 PM CST
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Tiffany,
I wasn't saying that people need to be "equalized". I apologize if it came across that way. I was actually saying the exact opposite: the world isn't fair, and we just have to accept that. People aren't equal. Somebody in 17th- or 16th-century England who was born a peasant might look at the King's son, and say that it's not fair that the son was born into a rich family yet they were born into a working-class or poor family. You hear people talk about how "it isn't fair"โ€ฆyeah, the world isn't fair. And what are the people who are born gifted supposed to do? Give all their good things up, or go through life depressed and sorry because someone somewhere in the world has it much worse than they do? No, of course not.

If all these things weren't the case, then we would live in a perfect world. Well, we don't, so therefore everyone living on this earth has to deal with bad things in their life, some more than others.
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Oct 26, 2022 5:28 PM CST
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https://youtu.be/RKelBDsTae4

https://youtu.be/dLhpxPiBzRM

Here is a beautiful and inspiring instrumental done by Two Steps that I encourage you to listen to. The second link goes to the same song done entirely by piano; giving the song a more classical sound. One of my favorite but unfortunately short songs. There is an extended version, however. Big Grin
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Oct 28, 2022 8:31 AM CST
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Been listening to Chopin's Etude Opus 10 No. 3 - E Major. Short, but nice. Being a pianist myself, I always appreciate Chopin's piano compositions, and many of my own compositions have a very Chopin feel to them.
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Oct 30, 2022 1:53 PM CST
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For the loved ones I miss..this cover version of One Sweet Day, for me, a thoughtful way remembering all the loved ones and friends who went ahead:
https://youtu.be/W1n-3e5tC24
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Oct 30, 2022 3:05 PM CST
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Johannian said: Been listening to Chopin's Etude Opus 10 No. 3 - E Major. Short, but nice. Being a pianist myself, I always appreciate Chopin's piano compositions, and many of my own compositions have a very Chopin feel to them.


Have you heard this Disney soundtrack from Fantasia 2000? It has great classical music; this one was one I faintly remember from when I watched the movie 20 years ago.

https://youtu.be/cmOBFaIOHVE
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Oct 30, 2022 3:25 PM CST
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My general top of all time favorites:

1: Cher - Believe
No link needed I presume Big Grin

2: Izdatso - Someone I Used To Be
https://www.youtube.com/watch?...

3: Izdatso - Western Nights
https://www.youtube.com/watch?...

4: Daft Punk - One More Time
https://www.youtube.com/watch?...

As in this very moment I've been having the following constantly on replay: Cรฉline Dion - When The Wrong One Loves You Right (can't believe I only just discovered this lol)
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Oct 30, 2022 3:57 PM CST
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TomatoNut95 said: Have you heard this Disney soundtrack from Fantasia 2000? It has great classical music; this one was one I faintly remember from when I watched the movie 20 years ago.

https://youtu.be/cmOBFaIOHVE


No, I haven't! Thanks for sharing.
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