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May 19, 2017 12:34 PM CST
Eastern Massachusetts (Zone 5b)
I'm sure we don't have even a 30% survival rate on shrubs purchased from nurseries. One Scarlet O'Hara shrub looked good from the start (but then never grew). The best of all other purchased shrubs looked bad for years before recovering from transplant. Another Scarlet O'Hara just slowly declined and isn't dead yet, but close. So picking a type known to work doesn't solve the problem.

So lots of work and some money to replace failing shrubs with other failing shrubs?? Did I mention I'm over 60? I don't think I'm willing to start something that takes that many tries for the chance to wait several years and maybe (but probably not) works.
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May 19, 2017 12:44 PM CST
Name: Arlene
Southold, Long Island, NY (Zone 7a)
Region: Ukraine Dahlias I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database! Houseplants Tomato Heads Garden Ideas: Level 1
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Avoid "cheap" plants at big box stores. Ask neighbors for their experiences with nurseries and give them a try.
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May 19, 2017 2:30 PM CST
Eastern Massachusetts (Zone 5b)
We never purchased any plant at a big box store, a grocery store, or any of the other stores that sell plants as side lines to their main business.

My wife made all the shrub purchases and all from nurseries and each of those nurseries off of good recommendations from people we trust. None of that did a bit of good. It took more time and money and the results were dismal.

She even had paid professions plant a few of the purchased shrubs (none of those shrubs survived).
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May 19, 2017 4:39 PM CST
Name: Arlene
Southold, Long Island, NY (Zone 7a)
Region: Ukraine Dahlias I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database! Houseplants Tomato Heads Garden Ideas: Level 1
Plant Identifier Photo Contest Winner: 2014 Million Pollinator Garden Challenge Celebrating Gardening: 2015
I'd notify the company that planted the shrubs. They should want to know and may help. Check the pH of the soil.
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May 19, 2017 7:52 PM CST
Name: Meredith
New Hampshire (Zone 5b)
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Jsf67 ~ Yes I agree with Pirl about checking your soil. You haven't said anything about the growing conditions and like Marilyn had said Azaleas need acidic soil. Plus many of them need moist soil but well drained. Plus I think they all prefer afternoon shade. That is one reason why I never get any. My yard is acidic but it is dry and I am pretty sure they would die. I have been told that Azaleas are not an easy plant. I have a Korean Azalea but I think it is an exception to that rule. It seems pretty easy. You may want to ask some folks that specialize in growing Azaleas for help as well. There are lots of helpful people on the plant specific forums!
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May 20, 2017 5:15 AM CST
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Here are some from yesterday .. the allium foliage is hurting after the heatwave
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May 20, 2017 5:18 AM CST
Name: Jo Ann Gentle
Pittsford NY (Zone 6a)
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Allison, The Purple Sensation leaves always go dead. Mine look awful.
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May 20, 2017 5:21 AM CST
Name: Meredith
New Hampshire (Zone 5b)
Region: New Hampshire Cat Lover Butterflies Hummingbirder Keeper of Poultry Roses
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First time bloom for me, 'Raymond'
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Just planted last year, Pirate's Patch
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A bonus plant 'Morgan' not my taste but reminds me of my school bus ;)

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Allium opened
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Iris cristata

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May 20, 2017 7:01 AM CST
Eastern Massachusetts (Zone 5b)
Newly blooming over night, the purple flowered large-leaf rhododendrom. (The white flowered ones that otherwise look identical usually bloom weeks later).

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This jump to partially blooming overnight was unusual for these. Typically I think the flower buds swell earlier in the season (they only did recently this year) and then take longer before they show a hint of opening like these:
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and in most years they spend a long time in that hint of opening stage as well. Then there is the stage where the bud for the truss opens to many buds of flowers, which usually lasts a few days. That first photo shows one that zoomed past all that from a green bud yesterday with no color showing, all the way to five of the blooms in the truss being open this morning. All the rest just jumped to color showing as in that second photo.

Meredith79 said:Azaleas need acidic soil. Plus many of them need moist soil but well drained. Plus I think they all prefer afternoon shade.


We tested the failing front lawn after we moved in (whatever was done to make it look right while the house was being shown collapsed quickly). The soil was too acid for lawn (but long ago, I don't recall the number). I used lots of lime and retested in 3 months and got the exact same number. I stopped even trying to fix that years ago. Right now (after weed-and-feed this year and lots of rain) the lawn is a greener mix of grass and moss than we have had in many years.

Never tested the soil elsewhere, but occasionally had expert opinions on some of the mosses, that say we are borderline too acid for acid loving plants. Only a few of the purchased shrubs were small leaf rhododendron. Everything was purchased telling the nurseries the soil was acid. Many were shrubs with needles rather than leaves. The last two purchases were and those are still alive. None of the earlier purchases of various shrubs with needles are still alive. Four purchased blueberry shrubs are still alive, but never had blooms nor berries. Four holly are all barely still alive.

Almost all plant descriptions seem to say "moist but well drained". I have little clue how to achieve that and no clue how to measure it, nor how much to water. Most of the shrubs locations in my yard have afternoon shade.

The healthiest of the three very old maybe-azalea is this:
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Regarding that "moist but well drained": I'm part way through a big project to hopefully clone the large Rhododendron with white flowers from one place in front of the house to two places in back. I had let it get far too big for its location, so in the fall and winter I identified the branches that travel a long way on the ground under some dirt and leaves before turning upward to form the lower part of the section I wanted to remove and distinguished those (harder than you would think due to all the twists) from the ones that travel that whole distance in the air. I cut off all the ones that go the whole way in the air, which were blocking sun from the ones that turn upward after a long way on the ground. I hope the branches on the ground are now building stronger roots. Sometimes rhododendron branches are on the ground for years with no roots, sometime just a few weeks grows inch long roots.

Meanwhile I dug a giant pit while removing the stump of a dead maple. Along the way I was amazed at how impervious the soil there was to water. A puddle will just sit until it air dries. Even poking deep holes in the dirt with a crow bar wouldn't get any water to soak in. The rooted (I hope) branches will go into a small mound above that pit after I refill the pit. But obviously I don't want to use much of that original waterproof dirt in refilling the pit (elsewhere in my yard dirt is far better at soaking water in). So far, I put a bunch of yard waste (weeds, leaves, etc.) at the bottom of the pit, where they are soaking in the water the pit captured from recent rain. I'm wondering what to put on top of that to help the rhododendrons higher up achieve moist but will drained. I used up all my supply of partly decomposed pine needles (which seems to be the best material for holding moisture while letting excess water escape). I have bags of dry newer pine needles, just enough to mulch both the old azaleas and this rooted branches project (not enough to also finish the job I started mulching Hostas). Anyway I don't think I should waste those pine needles under rather than over that project.
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May 20, 2017 7:12 AM CST
Name: Arlene
Southold, Long Island, NY (Zone 7a)
Region: Ukraine Dahlias I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database! Houseplants Tomato Heads Garden Ideas: Level 1
Plant Identifier Photo Contest Winner: 2014 Million Pollinator Garden Challenge Celebrating Gardening: 2015
Allison - when the allium base leaves look ugly I just cut them off. They're no longer needed nor are they providing food to the plant.
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May 20, 2017 8:26 AM CST
Name: Marilyn
CT (Zone 5b)
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jsf, sounds like a drainage problem in your yard....clay maybe? Nothing grows in clay....you can spend time & money amending it, & it goes back to clay... my stepson lives on the coast of Maine during the summer....he has trouble growing anything because of the clay in his soil. My rhodos have been lovely this year....here is 'Percy Wiseman' loaded with blooms & a clem that loves to cover the old fence.....
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May 20, 2017 11:04 AM CST
Eastern Massachusetts (Zone 5b)
RobinD said:sounds like a drainage problem in your yard....clay maybe? Nothing grows in clay....you can spend time & money amending it, & it goes back to clay...


It doesn't look or feel like I'd expect for clay. I was wondering whether I simply don't know what clay soil looks or feels like. But more significantly, it isn't a widespread problem in my yard. I have put water in holes in the ground in many places over the years for many reasons and in most places the water quickly soaks in. In the place from which I removed the stump of the dead maple, it acted very differently. The bottom and sides of the hole held water when I was part way down and not yet able to cut the stump out. They held water when I was far down and got the stump out. It was a very different color (gray) and texture but still held water after I removed some big rocks from the bottom and it was even deeper. I have a BIG pile of that waterproof soil. It wasn't just a bit around a stump. But it also is not generally a characteristic of my yard. Most holes act differently.

That pit is so big that the fact it holds water should now be an advantage not disadvantage. Net over a few months, there is never too much rain. Net over a few weeks there can be too much rain (as there was recently). But that is nowhere near enough water to even fill the air gaps in the yard waste in the bottom third of the pit. So if I manage to find soil spongy enough, any excess water would go down to the bottom of the pit, and then wick back up to the underside of the roots only when they are too dry. I have harvested soil that spongy in the past from places piles of pine needles decomposed for ten years. But I don't have any left nor a good feel for what to mix together to approximate it.
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May 20, 2017 3:06 PM CST
Name: Marilyn
CT (Zone 5b)
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Gray & not permeable sounds exactly like clay......hard to deal with .......Allison, I may have bought that anenome...is it 'Wild Swan?' And Meredith, I love the bright colors on your dwarf iris!
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May 21, 2017 3:36 AM CST
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NJ (Zone 6a)
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I am not sure.. can't seem to find my Brent and Beckys invoice .. Will see if the tag survived later today .. think that one is still there
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May 21, 2017 3:26 PM CST
Name: Marilyn
CT (Zone 5b)
Birds Daylilies Dog Lover Garden Art Heucheras
I bought Wild Swan from Select Seeds......am planting it in a few minutes!
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May 22, 2017 11:32 AM CST
Name: Marilyn
CT (Zone 5b)
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Here's a new tall bearded iris blooming...really much darker than the photo! It really looks black outside.
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May 22, 2017 12:10 PM CST
Name: Jo Ann Gentle
Pittsford NY (Zone 6a)
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Many blooms on my clems
Omoshiro


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Dawn

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Cats hit the nepeta first thing every day.

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Harvest of Memories.

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May 22, 2017 2:11 PM CST
Name: Marilyn
CT (Zone 5b)
Birds Daylilies Dog Lover Garden Art Heucheras
My Omoshiro is also blooming....love it! The photo of the kitties is wonderful.....what are their names?
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May 22, 2017 2:29 PM CST
Name: Jo Ann Gentle
Pittsford NY (Zone 6a)
Charter ATP Member I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database! Cat Lover Heucheras Hellebores Container Gardener
Birds Region: New York Avid Green Pages Reviewer Irises Garden Ideas: Master Level Lilies
Marilyn, Max and Peaches ,they are two years old.
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May 22, 2017 3:13 PM CST
Eastern Massachusetts (Zone 5b)
Lily of the Valley are blooming

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That was definitely not my best macro shot. But after a few tries, I stopped trying to make it better. Sometimes I just can't get a picture of small things to focus perfectly.

View from much further away:

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