Roses forum: Perfect Moment's not so perfect.

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Name: Toni
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Skiekitty
Jul 24, 2013 11:04 AM CST
I bought this last year (2012). It has the metal Weeks Roses tag on it and the plastic tag both stating Perfect Moment. Last year, when I bought it from the nursery, it was in one of those 3gal Week's Roses containers AND had a bloom on it. That's why I chose that particular plant.

Ever since then, it's bloomed .. well, weird. This is this month's bloom from "Perfect Moment". It's never bloomed true-to-what-it's-supposed-to-look-like.


Any idea on why it's blooming only washed out blooms? The plant itself is healthy enough, about 2.5-3' tall and about 2-2.5' across. And looking at one of Sue's photos from HMF (http://www.helpmefind.com/rose/l.php?l=21.69101), the leaves are not right. The ones she's showing aren't as leathery looking as mine.
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Name: Porkpal
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porkpal
Jul 24, 2013 11:43 AM CST
Those don't look like the same rose to me at all. Both quite lovely, but different.
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roseseek
Jul 24, 2013 11:50 PM CST
The photo you posted looks more "Peace" than Perfect Moment. Was the flower on the plant when you bought it what Perfect Moment is supposed to look like? Perfect Moment has matte, dark green foliage which is highly susceptible to mildew. Are you sure this is the plant you bought in the 3 gallon last year? There isn't anything else which would explain why matte (not glossy), dark green leaves would now be lighter green and glossier, nor why the saturated pigments of Perfect Moment would now look like Peace.
Name: Toni
Denver Metro (Zone 5a)
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Skiekitty
Jul 24, 2013 11:56 PM CST
The rose was in full bloom when I bought it, which is why I bought it because I've had mismarked roses before. I don't get mildew here as I don't have any humidity to speak of. No mildew, no blackspot, no rust, no slugs, no JB, etc etc etc. Just extreme winters that kill everything. And yes, I'm very sure that it's the plant I bought last year because I don't have Peace. I don't particularly care for Peace and is not one rose I have in my garden. I can take pics of the plastic Weeks tag along with the metal tag tomorrow.
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roseseek
Jul 25, 2013 12:26 AM CST
I believe you! The ONLY other explanation makes even less sense...Week's budded Perfect Moment on Peace. Perfect Moment died, leaving Peace to grow back from the roots. Had the original Week's produced the plant, I would be certain that could not be the case. But that plant would have been created by the "new Week's" and there is really no way to know how things are done now.
Name: Toni
Denver Metro (Zone 5a)
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Skiekitty
Jul 25, 2013 6:14 AM CST
On Sunday I can dig down & expose the bud union to see if the union had died or if its alive. I didn't think that Peace was grown own-root.
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roseseek
Jul 25, 2013 8:11 AM CST
Peace is available from specialty nurseries own root. It wasn't one the old Week's offered own root, but who knows what is being done with either Week's or J&P in their new "versions"? The old rules no longer apply. Both of the original concerns produced all of their stock. I know J&P has been reduced to purchasing and resellling. It is entirely possible some of that goes on with the new Week's, too. Who knows? But, nothing else explains how a Perfect Moment could suddenly produce entirely different foliage and flower types. A shift in color I can see. Roses and most other plants sport (mutate) but never so completely it changes the texture and color of the foliage and bloom. Sporting traditionally alters only one main characteristic at a time, such as from bush to climber; changing flower color from traditional Peace to Chicago Peace or Flaming Peace; from large size to mini or vice versa, but never the entire plant and all its parts at once.
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CindiKS
Jul 26, 2013 8:41 PM CST
Around here, Perfect Moment is referred to as "Perfect For a Moment".
Green Grin! Rolling my eyes. Maybe you just missed the right moment.
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roseseek
Jul 27, 2013 8:03 PM CST
Kordes, who created the rose, said it was named this because, "there is this one, perfect moment..." Tell you anything? I was impressed with it as an AARS trial rose. In that garden, the blooms were so large, one completely covered your hand. It was husky and gorgeous because it was fed heavily and sprayed regularly. Cut back on the food and don't spray and you have to really scramble for even the ONE perfect moment.
Name: Suzanne/Sue
Sebastopol, CA (Zone 9a)
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Calif_Sue
Jul 29, 2013 4:50 PM CST

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I agree, it doesn't look like Perfect Moment at all, not only is it lighter but it has too many petals. We have lots of images in our database too that pretty much all look the same, it's a pretty distinctive looking bloom. Even if it doesn't always have a perfect look.
Rose (Rosa 'Perfect Moment')

I took this one in Zuzu's garden

and this one at San Jose Heritage Rose Garden

No spraying in either one of these locations. Green Grin!
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Name: Toni
Denver Metro (Zone 5a)
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Skiekitty
Aug 13, 2013 1:28 PM CST
I went & emailed Weeks Roses about this rose. It would be nice if I got a response. Was thinking that maybe it's Dream Come True? But, no, don't think so. I do agree w/Roseseek.. looks awfully like Peace, which is one rose I don't have. And that sounds reasonable as Peace is pretty close to Perfect Moment on the alphabet... (trying to come up with excuses here).
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Name: Porkpal
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porkpal
Aug 13, 2013 2:00 PM CST
My mother grew Peace. I don't remember it having quite that many petals.
Porkpal
Name: Suzanne/Sue
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Calif_Sue
Aug 13, 2013 7:37 PM CST

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It can be quite full but you are right, maybe Toni's does have even more petals.
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Name: Toni
Denver Metro (Zone 5a)
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Skiekitty
Aug 13, 2013 8:11 PM CST
I just took this picture a few minutes ago.
Thumb of 2013-08-14/Skiekitty/ac62ec

It's quite pretty, but no scent and not in my normal range of roses I buy. I may dig it out & sell it. Not sure yet. But I really want a *real* PM, not this washed out variety.
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Name: Porkpal
Richmond, TX
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porkpal
Aug 13, 2013 9:33 PM CST
I always thought Peace had a very strong scent. This must be some other rose.
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Name: Suzanne/Sue
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Calif_Sue
Aug 13, 2013 10:08 PM CST

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I think so too, it looks a bit more like an old fashioned bloom. I like it.
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Name: Toni
Denver Metro (Zone 5a)
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Skiekitty
Aug 14, 2013 11:24 AM CST
I got a response back from Weeks! They wanted me to send them pictures so they can help identify it. Hurray! Hurray! Hurray!
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Name: Porkpal
Richmond, TX
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porkpal
Aug 14, 2013 11:26 AM CST
Great!
Porkpal

roseseek
Aug 14, 2013 2:05 PM CST
Peace, to my nose and in my climate, has a mild scent. It can also vary dramatically depending upon temps, water and food. The milder the temps, greater the water and food available, the larger and fuller the flower. In some cases, it can look like a yellow and pink hybrid perpetual, large, full, "buxom". I'm still inclined to believe you have Peace. Compare the foliage to photos on Help Me Find. That should help identify it easily. Perfect Moment's foliage is NOTHING like Peace's in texture or color.
Name: Toni
Denver Metro (Zone 5a)
Whiskey Tango Foxtrot.
Charter ATP Member Irises Salvias Xeriscape Birds I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database!
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Skiekitty
Aug 14, 2013 2:18 PM CST
Actually, I was noticing that it looks a LOT like Garden Delight http://www.helpmefind.com/rose/l.php?l=21.200604

Hopefully, Dawn from Weeks can figure it out.
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