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Oct 10, 2013 5:50 PM CST
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Not sure how this will work Zuzu. I created a genus entry, Plectranthus. Unidentified Plectranthus photos, other than Coleus, could be placed here.

@Dave, if we were to make this a parent entry can we exclude Coleus (Coleus scutellarioides) and The Coleus database from The Plectranthus Database which would be created?
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Oct 10, 2013 7:23 PM CST
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Evan, there could very well become a conflict in the system there. Let me do some testing in the morning before we proceed on that. I'll let you know what I find.
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Oct 10, 2013 7:56 PM CST
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Oct 10, 2013 8:00 PM CST
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I was going to suggest that Plectranthus scutellarioides could be the parent plant for the Coleus Database, but I see that this has already been done. Conflict averted. Hurray!
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Oct 11, 2013 6:49 AM CST
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Name: Dave Whitinger
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I reviewed the DB code this morning and here's how it works:

When you make a new parent plant it will find all the matching plants and make them children IF each child plant does not already have a parent plant.

So since all Plectranthus scutellarioides already have a parent plant, then by creating a new parent plant in Plectranthus, then only those plants in that genus who are NOT child plants, will be added as child plants to the new entry.

In other words, there should not be any conflict here and you are safe to mark Plectranthus as a parent plant and it won't affect the coleuses.
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Oct 11, 2013 7:09 AM CST
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Thanks again!

I see the Cordyline now. It didn't say parent plant, so I guess I was whipping through there too fast to notice it. I'll get the hang of this.

Dictionary.com and Webster's say genuses is an accepted plural but if everybody says genera, I'm down with that, it sure is easier to type. I'm still campaigning for genii....
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Oct 11, 2013 9:27 AM CST
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dave said:When you make a new parent plant it will find all the matching plants and make them children IF each child plant does not already have a parent plant.

Thanks for the explanation Dave.
In future should we need to create a species level parent plant (like Plectranthus scutellarioides) when a genus level parent plant already exists is there a work around?

Perhaps changing a parent plant back to a simple genus entry;
then creating the species level parent plant;
then changing the simple genus entry back to a parent plant.

purpleinopp said:I see the Cordyline now. It didn't say parent plant, so I guess I was whipping through there too fast to notice it. I'll get the hang of this.

Tiffany, Ti (Cordyline) is a simple genus entry, not a parent plant.

Parent plant entries:
Create mini-databases of all children entries.
Allow the propagation of General Plant Information throughout the mini database (ex. Herb/forb, perennial,...),
Allow the creation of custom data fields for all children entries. (ex. Division 1-11 for Tulipa),
Provide a place for unknown cultivar or species photographs to be placed,
Other properties I've missed I'm sure.

Simple genus entry:
Provide a place for unknown cultivar or species photographs to be placed, without the other properties of a parent plant.
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Oct 11, 2013 9:42 AM CST
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Evan, I don't think we should do the workaround you suggested. When the time comes for such an occurance, just let me know and I'll do some testing here and see what happens. Likely the genus/species parent plant will always supercede the genus-only parent plant but I'd want to do testing. So, let me know when this need arises and we'll resolve the question at that time. Smiling
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Oct 11, 2013 9:47 AM CST
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Nov 16, 2013 4:32 PM CST
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Not sure I understand the difference between parent plant and simple genus, but popped in to ask for somewhere to put a pic of Lithops flower, species unknown. Thanks! That's what I would use either parent or simple species for. Would it be possible for someone to please post a screen shot showing the difference, and tell me which is the right spot for the kind of pics I'm talking about adding - genus known but not species? Or a Venn diagram? That I would understand - LOL!

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Nov 16, 2013 7:15 PM CST
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Here is the appropriate entry for your Lithops:

Living Stones (Lithops)

In general, the database is organized by genus. But, among other things, the parent plant architecture provides some additional flexibility. For example, there are three parent plants for the Hibiscus genus, one for Hibiscus moscheutos cultivars, one for Hibiscus syriacus cultivars, and one for everything else (I think) in the genus. On the other hand, the Asters parent plant includes several closely related genera, not just plants that are currently classified in the genus Aster.

http://garden.org/plants/brows...
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Nov 17, 2013 8:51 AM CST
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TY, Kent!
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Nov 27, 2013 12:04 PM CST
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Name: Tiffany purpleinopp
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Popping by to ask for a general Selenicereus page? Thanks!
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Nov 27, 2013 1:02 PM CST
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Here you are Tiffany. Moonlight Cactus (Selenicereus)
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Nov 27, 2013 3:21 PM CST
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Name: Tiffany purpleinopp
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TYVM!
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Nov 27, 2013 3:42 PM CST
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You're welcome.
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Dec 23, 2013 1:30 PM CST
Thread OP
Name: Tiffany purpleinopp
Opp, AL @--`--,----- 🌹 (Zone 8b)
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A parent plant for Heliconia please?
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Dec 23, 2013 1:52 PM CST
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Dec 23, 2013 4:15 PM CST
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Name: Tiffany purpleinopp
Opp, AL @--`--,----- 🌹 (Zone 8b)
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In my wish list (now resides on ATP instead of spreadsheet,) TYVM, Evan!!
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The best time to plant a tree is 20 years ago. The 2nd best time is now. (-Unknown)
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Dec 23, 2013 4:40 PM CST
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I tip my hat to you.

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