Daylilies forum: blooms that hang

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Name: Marvin Davis
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diggit
Dec 24, 2013 8:16 PM CST
Some of the new complex edges we are seeing now have difficulty opening because of the entangling effects of the bubble ruffling and 'angel wings' that are becoming common on daylilies. While we enjoy the fabulous visual effects, we still rather not have to 'help' them finish opening on our morning rounds. Pictured here, 'The Fourth Angel' in spite of it's phenomenal edge only had a couple of blooms hang on my small two year clump. I can't say enough about how well this plant grows and performs here in Indiana in the two plus years I have grown it, but suffice to say that while the first scape was still blooming, a second one began to appear and while it was blooming a third scape came through. Believe it or not a fourth one showed in September. All this from a clump of two or three scapes. If I had a complaint, I would like to see a little more consistent form and fashion to the blooms. They are not always tidy and well formed, but when they are...... awesome.
A couple that tend to hang up here in my Indiana garden a bit more than some are 'Spectral Elegance' and 'Eloquent Cay'. Sometimes I think the bubble edges tend to hang more than the 'folds and flaps' type of edge that you see here on 'The Fourth Angel'.
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Name: Cynthia (Cindy)
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Hemlady
Dec 24, 2013 8:40 PM CST
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tink3472
Dec 24, 2013 9:36 PM CST
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Name: Betty
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Betja
Dec 25, 2013 12:56 AM CST
Welcome! diggit!

I only have one that I automatically think of when someone mentions a bloom hanging up, and that is WONDER OF IT ALL. I really love it, which is why it's still in my garden, but it seems like I have to help just about every single bloom to open.



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Name: Fred Manning
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spunky1
Dec 25, 2013 4:50 AM CST
Welcome diggit!! and Merry Christmas to everyone. There are several of the newer daylilies here that need a little help once in a while, I don't mind helping them a little but I hate the ones you have to destroy trying to see them. Here are two different type edges, the first will hang occasionally
THE FABYLOUS ANN McWILLIAMS
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This one never hangs.
THE INCREDIBLE EARL WATTS
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beckygardener
Dec 25, 2013 7:17 AM CST
Oh my, Fred! Those two are show-stoppers!!! Wow! Thumbs up
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cats1
Dec 25, 2013 10:49 AM CST
Love the pic of THE FABYLOUS ANN McWILLIAMS!! That is gorgeous. Smiling Italian Kaleidoscope's hung up a few times here, but this was the first year it bloomed. -- Secret of Contentment otoh opened really well.
Name: Marvin Davis
southeast Indiana (Zone 6a)
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diggit
Dec 25, 2013 11:28 AM CST
Hi everyone, thanks for all the welcomes and kind wishes of Merry Christmas and the same to each of you. I am just a small potatoes iris hybridizer that also likes to grow a few daylilies. I have done a few crosses on the daylilies with mixed results. I don't have the space or the energy to row out fifty thousand seedlings so that chance will bring me that 'one' really phenomenal bloom. However, I enjoy observing the work and the results of last decade or so of daylily evolution. It truly is amazing how far they have come. One wonders how much more fancy edges can evolve. My guess is the 'next big thing' in the tets will be bringing the fancy eyes of the new dips to go with the fancy edges on the tets. I guess the sky is the limit on the eye patterns, but we may have reached the boundaries on edges that will open consistently?
Name: Larry
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LarryW
Dec 25, 2013 4:23 PM CST
What you are seeing today in lavish edges started well over 20 years ago, and the problem with blossoms hanging up is also something that has been seen before as the size of edges increased. If you look at some of the edged flowers of the early 1990's such as H. David Kirchhoff (Salter, 1992), the edges were relatively modest compared to what we are seeing today. However, as edges increased in size, blossoms that hung up became a real problem, and hybridizers addressed that issue by selecting and interbreeding flowers that had less of an edge at the tips of the petals since this was the place the majority of hang-up problems occurred. You can see the change in the edge tips of many of the introductions in the early 2000's such as H. Green Mystique (Stamile, 2002). Just a couple of years later, big edged flowers were being introduced that usually opened well including H. Boundless Beauty (Salter, 2005) and H. The Terminator (Stamile, 2006). You can also see this on the picture of H. The Incredible Earl Watts (Salter, 2012) in the post above. This hybridizing advance has lasted well, but with edges now well over 1/2 inch and sometimes 1 inch in width, and particularly with flowers having a wide, bubbly edge on the wide petals of round-form flowers, there is simply more petal material than ever before and some of those petals don't unfurl as easily as those with smaller edges or more narrow petals. I assume several hybridizers are working on this issue just as others did in the 1990's and it will be interesting to see what they come up with to again solve the hang-up problems and again allow for even larger edges. It looks to me like the flower you show (H. The Fourth Angel, Petit, 2009) uses a different technique, that of having petals that are more narrow as is seen in H. Golden Tentacles (Lambertson, 2004).
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Frillylily
Dec 25, 2013 4:42 PM CST
I use to have a few that hung up, we tend to have cold mornings so I blame it on that. Anything that hangs up very much, or does it often, gets tossed out. doesn't matter how expensive it is or how pretty, hanging up will send them to the compost.
Name: Maryl
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Maryl
Dec 25, 2013 5:12 PM CST
Welcome Diggit and Larry. The more the merrier.....I had one hang up a bit last year, it was new and amid all the usual frenzy that is my garden, I just chalked it up to youth and let it go for another year......I must say that that Fabulous Anne McWilliams is appropriately named. WOW on those edges! Since it's a new Salter introduction I know there aren't many reports about it yet, but I'll keep my eyes peeled for progress reports....Does weather (heat/ cold/ rain/ humidity etc.) play a part in how some peoples experience may differ on the hang up issue?........Maryl
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floota
Dec 25, 2013 5:34 PM CST
I've heard Ted Petit speak several times over the past couple of years. In one ( or both, I can't remember) he mentioned that he and Pat Stamile ( when Pat was still in FL) had made a pact to try and breed this trait out. He showed images of those daylilies in his breeding program ( and if you look, you can also find some of these in Pat's program) where the tips of each petal have almost no edging. They have heavy edges on the sides of the petals but the PETAL TIPS is where they found the blooms to be hanging up and Ted found if he could get the edges off the tips, the hang up problems were greatly reduced. I don't have time to dig through images, but imagine someone can find pictures of blooms that show this trait. Now, I have no idea whether other hybridizers expanded on this idea or not. Whenever a bloom has significant hang up problems upon opening, it doesn't stay around here very long for me to evaluate.
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blue23rose
Dec 25, 2013 6:22 PM CST
Welcome! Diggit! These daylilies are sooo ruffly! Beautiful Smiling
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Name: Fred Manning
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spunky1
Dec 26, 2013 6:34 AM CST
Welcome Larry.
I had rather see the wide petals and sepals with less edge than have the hang-up's. Any kind of weather effects a lot of the newer daylilies, some are good effects like in the pattern's, which causes the pattern to change, but the same weather can cause a ruffled flower to hang.
Name: Teresa
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bluegrassmom
Dec 26, 2013 7:08 AM CST
Welcome to ATPs. Be very careful on this forum. A few years ago I was a iris collector with only Stella. Then I found the sites with databases/threads to look at lol. The rest is history.

Teresa in KY
Name: Marvin Davis
southeast Indiana (Zone 6a)
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diggit
Dec 26, 2013 1:03 PM CST
I hear you, Teresa, and I am a collector at heart. That can be quite a problem when you are also a hybridizer. I have a lot of seedlings that probably should be thrown out to ease the burden of weeding etc. ......it is so hard to throw away a fabulous bloom because of low bud count etc. I am trying to control my habit for hostas and daylilies, but I really have a problem with the irises, my first love.
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Name: Natalie
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Natalie
Dec 26, 2013 2:07 PM CST
Welcome! diggit & Larry!

diggit, that is a STUNNING iris!!! One of the prettiest ones I've seen! I adore iris, but have very few because I moved recently, and didn't have room for both the iris and the daylilies in the back of my truck. Is that one of your hybrids?
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Name: Marvin Davis
southeast Indiana (Zone 6a)
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diggit
Dec 26, 2013 2:57 PM CST
yep..........that's one of my babies. Here is another one right out of the same seed pod. However I lost it when I moved it to another location. I waited too long to move it and it was being choked out like these colors are prone to do. Broke my heart. Neither this photo or the one above have been photo shopped. This is straight from the camera.
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Name: Natalie
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Natalie
Dec 26, 2013 3:54 PM CST
Stunning! Orange is my least favorite color, but I've found that orange iris are my favorites! Sorry you lost that one.
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Name: Maryl
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Maryl
Dec 26, 2013 11:28 PM CST
Julie: Interesting about it being the tips that can cause the hang ups. If memory serves me, that is where the one I had last year had the problem. I'll remember to look specifically at that if the problem arises again this year....You are so right Fred about the weather affecting everything one way or the other. ....Maryl

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