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The Ever-Changing Sempervivum

By valleylynn
March 8, 2011

Have you ever followed a single cultivar of Sempervivum (hen & chicks) through a year of its life? If you haven’t you are in for a wonderful surprise.

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Name: Lance Gardner
coastal plain Virginia (Zone 7a)
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Lance
Mar 8, 2011 10:48 AM CST
These are some wonderful pictures, and show the variety of colors and shapes very well. My Mother has some sedum that she got from her Grandmother, I think it was, and has passed on to me. I will have to watch them, and see if I can figure out what type they are. So many generations, and still the same plant.
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Name: Lynn
Dallas, OR (Zone 8b)
Charter ATP Member Garden Sages I helped plan and beta test the plant database. I helped beta test the Garden Planting Calendar I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database! Plant Database Moderator
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valleylynn
Mar 8, 2011 11:19 AM CST
Lance that is wonderful. Not many people in today's time have plants passed from one generation to another. What a wonderful gift that is. Do you have any photos you can share with us? I would love to see them.

They will readily cross pollinate if you have more than one variety, but will always come true to the parents from the offsets (divisions not seedlings).
Name: Lance Gardner
coastal plain Virginia (Zone 7a)
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Lance
Mar 8, 2011 11:46 AM CST
I will need to get some photos next time I visit my Mother, as mine are currently in need of some weeding, and possible a bit cold from this winter. These are all offsets, as I don't think any seedlings have come up in my Mother's garden.
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Name: Lynn
Dallas, OR (Zone 8b)
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valleylynn
Mar 8, 2011 12:10 PM CST
Can't wait to see them Lance.
Name: Rick R.
near Minneapolis, MN zone 4a
I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database! Garden Sages The WITWIT Badge Garden Photography Region: Minnesota Plant Identifier
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Leftwood
Mar 14, 2011 12:59 AM CST
I would really love to see your data bases continue with what you have begun here: showing the different feel and colors, etc. as the season progresses for each cultivar. I remember I had asked for the ability to add multiple photos for each entry in a data base when Dave was building it, but I don't know if he actually did it. I hope so. This is one place where it is really needed! Maybe you'll have to make multiple entries for each cultivar, rather than have multiple pics in each entry.

Anyway, I think it would be very advantageous, and your data base might be the only one that would do it!

At any rate, Good show!

Rick
Name: Lynn
Dallas, OR (Zone 8b)
Charter ATP Member Garden Sages I helped plan and beta test the plant database. I helped beta test the Garden Planting Calendar I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database! Plant Database Moderator
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valleylynn
Mar 14, 2011 8:57 AM CST
Rick thank you so much for your kind and encouraging words. These plants are so amazing in the seasonal changes they make.
Yes Dave listened to you and many others that had the same desire. Here is a link to one of my databases. http://cubits.org/sedumandsempervivum/db/sedumandsempervivum... Hope you have time to go through the entries. It is growing on a monthly bases with contributions from sempervivum enthusiasts/collectors.
I am in the process of photographing the 232 sempervivum, rosularia and orostachys I have in my collection. I have been trying to photography each one on a monthly basis, except for the months of Jan. & Feb. I am even adding photos of the difficult times (drought, heavy rains, freezing & thawing) so we can all have a photographic record of even the damage that they can some times go through.
Do you have semps Rick?
Name: Rick R.
near Minneapolis, MN zone 4a
I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database! Garden Sages The WITWIT Badge Garden Photography Region: Minnesota Plant Identifier
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Leftwood
Mar 14, 2011 10:13 AM CST
valleylynn said:
Do you have semps Rick?


Maybe around 10 cultivars and species. A Orostachys spinosa bloomed last year at 18 inches, and I have O. chanettii seed to try now.

BTW, whatever happened to the "Cubits Owner Issues" forum? There was a lot of good logistic info in those threads.

Rick
Name: Lynn
Dallas, OR (Zone 8b)
Charter ATP Member Garden Sages I helped plan and beta test the plant database. I helped beta test the Garden Planting Calendar I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database! Plant Database Moderator
Forum moderator I helped beta test the first seed swap Celebrating Gardening: 2015 Plant and/or Seed Trader Garden Ideas: Master Level Sempervivums
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valleylynn
Mar 14, 2011 11:01 AM CST
It is still there Rick. http://cubits.org/cubits/forums/view/cubitownerquestions/ Be sure to click on the Watch this forum at the top right of page. Then it will show on your home page.

Where do you get your Orostachys seed from? Is it hard to germinate and grow into mature plants? I have no experience with growing hardy succulents from seed.
I would love to see which semps you have.
Name: Rick R.
near Minneapolis, MN zone 4a
I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database! Garden Sages The WITWIT Badge Garden Photography Region: Minnesota Plant Identifier
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Leftwood
Mar 18, 2011 6:44 PM CST
I've been "chatting" with Dave, and discovered why I couldn't find the Cubit owner issues forum (even with your link) since the end of last year: Dave had purposely excluded excluded certain groups, including those owning private cubits. To make a very long story short, since my cubit is private while I build it before going public, I was excluded. I am sure he had good reasons, still, I felt compelled to register my disappointment that I couldn't access all the good info found there to aid in building my cubit. He reconsidered, and the forum is again open to any All about Cubits.org member.

I bought Orosatachys spinosa as a seedling from a quite unique, once a year plant sale that is well know among gardeners here in Minneapolis/St. Paul. It was a dollar. Thousands of plant species and cultivars are for sale for three days only. They gross several hundreds of thousand of dollars in just that one long weekend!

I received O. chanettii seed through the North American Rock Garden Society seed exchange. I have never tried to grow Orostachys from seed before. Despite my Orostachys spinosa blooming with thousands of flowers and seething with insects, I could find only four seed capsules, and when I opened them, they were empty. It must be self infertile.

If you would like to try some very easy germinating hardy succulents, try the Delosperma or related genera. They need no pretreatment and grow ridiculously fast. Sow thinly! Every seed will sprout.

Name: Lynn
Dallas, OR (Zone 8b)
Charter ATP Member Garden Sages I helped plan and beta test the plant database. I helped beta test the Garden Planting Calendar I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database! Plant Database Moderator
Forum moderator I helped beta test the first seed swap Celebrating Gardening: 2015 Plant and/or Seed Trader Garden Ideas: Master Level Sempervivums
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valleylynn
Mar 20, 2011 5:33 PM CST
Great information on Cubits and Orostachys, thank so much Rick. Sure wish I could go to that plant sale. Lovey dubby
Name: Rick R.
near Minneapolis, MN zone 4a
I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database! Garden Sages The WITWIT Badge Garden Photography Region: Minnesota Plant Identifier
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Leftwood
Mar 20, 2011 8:55 PM CST
The Friends School Plant Sale is quite an event. People line up for a block long waiting to get in. It is so well attended that they even have to limit the number of shoppers in the gigantic building.

The buyer is a friend of mine, and for most of the materials he has to secure seeds or cuttings himself, and contract out the growing for the sale. Lotsa unusual stuff.
Name: Lynn
Dallas, OR (Zone 8b)
Charter ATP Member Garden Sages I helped plan and beta test the plant database. I helped beta test the Garden Planting Calendar I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database! Plant Database Moderator
Forum moderator I helped beta test the first seed swap Celebrating Gardening: 2015 Plant and/or Seed Trader Garden Ideas: Master Level Sempervivums
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valleylynn
Mar 21, 2011 4:42 PM CST
It sounds like a plant lovers 'Pot of Gold'. : )

Would love to see what you get this year. I saw photos of your Orostachys blooms, I was amazed by them, first time for me to see the blooms. I look forward to seeing some of mine bloom in the future. Does the rosette die after blooming, like sempervivum do?
Name: Rick R.
near Minneapolis, MN zone 4a
I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database! Garden Sages The WITWIT Badge Garden Photography Region: Minnesota Plant Identifier
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Leftwood
Mar 21, 2011 6:13 PM CST
Yes, the rosette dies, but it is the norm that there are pups that would take over, similar to Hen and chicks. My particular one did not, but I have many more anyway, as when I grow them in small pots, they tend to multiply rather than grow big rosettes that will bloom.

My friend germinated Orostachys iwarenge recently. You can see a photo here if you scroll down about three-quarters:
http://nargs.org/smf/index.php?topic=552.15

Feel free to peruse all the threads, and the photo gallery at nargs.org.
Name: Lynn
Dallas, OR (Zone 8b)
Charter ATP Member Garden Sages I helped plan and beta test the plant database. I helped beta test the Garden Planting Calendar I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database! Plant Database Moderator
Forum moderator I helped beta test the first seed swap Celebrating Gardening: 2015 Plant and/or Seed Trader Garden Ideas: Master Level Sempervivums
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valleylynn
Mar 21, 2011 7:14 PM CST
Great site Rick. I bookmarked it so I can spend some time looking around. Very interesting.

I loved the photos of the Orostachys iwarenge seedlings.

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