Plant ID forum: Philodendron bipinnatifidum?

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Name: Myriam
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bonitin
May 7, 2014 10:09 AM CST
The leaves do look like it but the inner side of the flower bract is red-pinkish instead of the usual cream-white like seen on the web..
I photographed it in a front garden of Rio de Janeiro town, the plant was towering high above my head and I couldn't get more details..
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Name: Lin
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plantladylin
May 7, 2014 10:12 AM CST
It really does look like P. bipinnatifidum, leaves stems etc. I wonder if the red-tinged flower bract could be due to age, growing area, conditions etc.?
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SongofJoy
May 7, 2014 10:52 AM CST
Could it be Monstera deliciosa (synonym is Philodendron pertusum)?

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Name: Myriam
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bonitin
May 7, 2014 10:58 AM CST
Thanks Lin, I think you're right, growing conditions can cause minor differences, but I wanted to make sure as I am not that familiar (yet) with tropical plants!

No Tee, definitely not a Monstera delisiosa, the leave shape doesn't match. Smiling
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SongofJoy
May 7, 2014 11:00 AM CST
So I see. Thumbs up
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SongofJoy
May 7, 2014 11:06 AM CST
Looks like you can mark this one Solved. Thumbs up
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plantladylin
May 7, 2014 12:06 PM CST
I wonder if it could be a very mature form of Philodendron xanadu

Scroll down this page at Exotic Rainforest website and look at the spathe photo: http://www.exoticrainforest.com/Philodendron%20xanadu%20pc.h...

I copied this from the exoticrainforest info in the above link: "The spathe of Philodendron xanadu is dark violet-purple bordering on red and the differences in the spathes of Philodendron xanadu and Philodendron bipinnatifidum indicate to a scientist this is positively a species and is not a cultivar."
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Name: Myriam
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bonitin
May 7, 2014 2:24 PM CST
Thanks Lin for the link to that interesting article, but I doubt it could be Philodendron xanadu, the size of that plant is up to 4 ft ( 1.20m), (according to our database). The plant in Rio was really huge. The leaves of Philodendron xanadu also look more flat and much more deeply cut especially with the mature plant in the link, they do perfectly match though with Philodendron bipinnatifidum.
I see what you mean with the red coloured spathe of P. xanadu but that is on the outside, the red on mine is on the inside of the spathe, the outside is green .. so I think we better stay with Philodendron bipinnatifidum.. Smiling

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plantladylin
May 7, 2014 4:13 PM CST
LOL, after looking more closely at photo's I see what you mean and I agree that it's more than likely P. bipinnatifidum!
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bonitin
May 8, 2014 4:49 AM CST
I found out that Philodendron speciosum is a perfect match, colour of spathe included! Smiling
http://www.htbg.com/search.php?family=Araceae
http://www.tropicsphere.com/main/forums/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=...
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JRsbugs
May 8, 2014 5:25 AM CST
Great site Myriam! The Philodendron was a looong way down the page so I enlarged it ..

http://www.htbg.com/Araceae/PHILO-011-7-28-019/

I'm surprised how many undetermined species there are in the family on that site being a botanical garden!
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SongofJoy
May 8, 2014 5:35 AM CST
That is beautiful! I bought one at a plant sale here but it was incorrectly tagged. Glad to have the correct ID.
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Name: Myriam
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bonitin
May 8, 2014 5:42 AM CST
Thanks Janet, I stumbled upon that site trying to identify Philodendrons I photographed in the rainforest.
(I don't know how you enlarged it?)

Yes, there are an amazing number of undetermined Philodendrons and other Araceae members!

I think I should ask for a parent page in the database.. Rolling my eyes.
Name: Myriam
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bonitin
May 8, 2014 5:43 AM CST
Nice Tee you now got the right Id for your plant!
Name: Carole
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SongofJoy
May 8, 2014 5:49 AM CST
I agree
The best and most beautiful things in the world cannot be seen or even touched -- they must be felt with the heart. ~ Helen Keller
Name: Janet Super Sleuth
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JRsbugs
May 8, 2014 7:03 AM CST
bonitin said:(I don't know how you enlarged it?)


I clicked on the photo Myriam. Smiling
Name: Myriam
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bonitin
May 8, 2014 7:12 AM CST
Thank You!
Name: Lin
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plantladylin
May 8, 2014 7:40 AM CST
Hurray! Hurray! Hurray! for the correct ID! It sure is a beauty and it will be great to have additional photo's in the database! Philodendron (Philodendron speciosum)
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