Lilies forum: Any relation between lily height and duration of winter?

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Name: Joe
Long Island, NY (Zone 7a)
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Joebass
Jun 2, 2014 10:50 AM CST
I would say that many of my lily stems this year are about 2/3 the normal height that they normal are with some exceptions of course. Being that I had a very cold winter and a late spring, would the quicker increasing temps cause the lilies to stop growing height wise and go quicker to the blooming stage? I know that lilies can vary in height from year to year but it seems that a majority of bulbs that I've had for more than 2 years are short. Just a few thoughts.........
Name: Lorn (Roosterlorn)
S.E Wisconsin (Zone 5b)
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Roosterlorn
Jun 2, 2014 12:10 PM CST
My experience has been that a cool Spring seems to bring shorter growth-- and, especially if it is a cool, dry spring. On the other hand, a warm spring seems to bring taller growth--and again, especially if it is a warm, wet spring. Just my conclusion based on association. This year when I look at the 'overall', I believe they may be a little taller than average here. But, I've had pretty much an ideal spring as far as lily gardening goes with just the right amount of moisture.

I should note I have a couple exceptions where I have some real turkey-necks on some very large fall transplanted bulbs. Since these were in an area ravaged by voles, I going to assume the main section of these bulbs was damaged but they shot up a spindly stem from a small developing offset somewhere within the bulbs themselves.

This is an interesting question. I just heard from a lady in northern Wisconsin who says all of her newly planted Fall bulbs were taller than she has experienced before. I wonder, also, what everybody else on this forum is experiencing this year.
Name: Rick R.
near Minneapolis, MN zone 4a
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Leftwood
Jun 2, 2014 7:19 PM CST
Glad to see you've got your thinking cap on, Joe!

Once the full vernalization requirement is met, I don't think there is a correlation of height to cold winter temps, unless the plants were cold damaged. I had a very very very long cold winter, but the minimum (temperature) wasn't below normal. Isn't that the same as you, Joe? Even though my spring was late (temperature wise), overall my lilies are taller than usual, I think, due to the abundance of moisture. And I just got 2.9 more inches of rain yesterday.

While the number of leaves and buds are largely preprogrammed in a bulb, how they develop is most dependent on the current conditions during time of expansion.
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Name: della
hobart, tasmania
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dellac
Jun 2, 2014 7:22 PM CST
I had a 'short' summer this past year in the southern hemisphere. Stems were all about 2/3 of normal - except for newly purchased and potted bulbs, which I assume were normal heights for those lilies - some of them being really quite tall! I figure it means I didn't feed my poor babies enough the season before! Hilarious!
Name: Joe
Long Island, NY (Zone 7a)
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Joebass
Jun 2, 2014 7:33 PM CST
Minimum what Rick? Temp?
Lorn, I would say we had a cool and dryish spring for sure.
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Name: Rick R.
near Minneapolis, MN zone 4a
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Leftwood
Jun 2, 2014 8:10 PM CST
Yes, minimum temperature.
Name: Joe
Long Island, NY (Zone 7a)
Lilies Region: New York Plant and/or Seed Trader Seed Starter Garden Ideas: Level 1
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Joebass
Jun 4, 2014 6:21 AM CST
In addition to some short stems, my lilies are way behind this year too. Normally I have my first in ground blooms the last week of May. None so far and I'm still probably at least a week away from it too. This winter really changed a bunch of things this year!
Name: Lorn (Roosterlorn)
S.E Wisconsin (Zone 5b)
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Roosterlorn
Jun 4, 2014 8:40 AM CST
Relax Joe, it's only June 4th! Every year is a new experience with gardening and sometimes things don't always progress as we anticipate. Give it time! No rush here--I don't mind being the last float in the parade.
Name: Joe
Long Island, NY (Zone 7a)
Lilies Region: New York Plant and/or Seed Trader Seed Starter Garden Ideas: Level 1
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Joebass
Jun 4, 2014 9:43 AM CST
I'm just excited for the season I guess! Lol
Name: Rick R.
near Minneapolis, MN zone 4a
I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database! Garden Sages The WITWIT Badge Garden Photography Region: Minnesota Plant Identifier
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Leftwood
Jun 4, 2014 4:40 PM CST
I'm always the last float in the parade, because the soil freezes so deeply here and I winter mulch heavily...... But this year the ground thawed under the snow, so I'll not be as late. I have a couple martagons showing color in their buds.
Name: della
hobart, tasmania
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dellac
Jun 4, 2014 7:07 PM CST
Now I'd love to see a lily-float - a parade of lily-floats! - to celebrate summer. nodding

I took my first load of potting mix down to the new garden yesterday. I can officially continue repotting at my new home! Though goodness knows how long before I'm living there.... I'm really hoping to be set up by two weeks post-solstice so I can start the seed-sowing season in good time.
Name: della
hobart, tasmania
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dellac
Jun 4, 2014 7:09 PM CST
Oops! I thought this was the what-did-you-do-today? thread. Rolling on the floor laughing
Name: Joe
Long Island, NY (Zone 7a)
Lilies Region: New York Plant and/or Seed Trader Seed Starter Garden Ideas: Level 1
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Joebass
Jun 4, 2014 7:53 PM CST
Unacceptable Della! Rolling on the floor laughing
Lincoln, NE
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Moby
Jun 5, 2014 12:24 AM CST
Harrumph! Hope we don't have to drum you out of the lily corp. Hilarious!
Where are we going, and why am I in this hand-basket?
Name: della
hobart, tasmania
Celebrating Gardening: 2015 Photo Contest Winner: 2015
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dellac
Jun 5, 2014 4:03 AM CST
Oh no guys! Dun drum me outs! Crying
Lincoln, NE
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Moby
Jun 5, 2014 10:53 PM CST
Nooo, we'd never do that! Lovey dubby
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