Cactus and Tender Succulents forum: Same photos in two species. Lampranthus deltoids and Oscularia vredenbugensis

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Name: Leslieray Hurlburt
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HamiltonSquare
Jul 10, 2014 7:59 PM CST
Came across a thread by @tarev that piqued my interest #365406. If you follow the thread a few entries #356704 and look at the photos along with the move that was mentioned and the name changes and then check the photos in the database you will see the same photos listed in both entries. I could not submit a data change proposal because I cannot untangle whats is what. So I pass this along to those who may? It was mentioned that the original tag was Oscularia caulescens and that is a synonym of Lampranthus deltoids where presumably they were moved. But where did the Oscularia vredenburgensis name come into the pictures that were described as closeups of the same plant? I love a mystery. I'm all ears!
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Dutchlady1
Jul 11, 2014 3:04 AM CST
@zuzu, could you clear this up?
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Jul 11, 2014 12:35 PM CST

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I'll look into it, Hetty. Smiling
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zuzu
Jul 11, 2014 1:20 PM CST

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This is kind of a big mess. Our Lampranthus and Oscularia entries are all mixed up, listing accepted names as synonyms and vice-versa. I'll fix those as soon as I get back from an appointment. In the meantime, I hope Tarev can weigh in and tell us how the plant was identified as two different plants.

I'm also having trouble finding the posts numbered 365406 and 356704. Can you tell me the name or number of the thread instead?
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tarev
Jul 11, 2014 1:32 PM CST
When I post my photos, oftentimes it gets moved elsewhere by others in the database. As can be seen in the beginning of my thread then, I have it as Oscularia caulescens, then got moved..So I do not know who moved them further under the Oscularia vredenbugensis category. You can remove that if you want, that will make things simpler I think.

I do not question it anymore when my photos gets moved, I am no expert anyways..that is why most of the time I hesitate to post new photos there, it just gets moved around a lot.
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Jul 11, 2014 1:50 PM CST

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Thanks, Tarev. Oscularia caulescens is an accepted species name and has nothing to do with Lampranthus deltoides, incidentally. I think these entries were once "updated" using obsolete information from The Plant List. I'll review all of the Lampranthus, Oscularia, and Mesembryanthemum entries today and bring them into line with the most recent Catalogue of Life data.

I found the posts, by the way, so I don't need the name of the thread.
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HamiltonSquare
Jul 11, 2014 3:15 PM CST
I goofed on the synonym.. Blinking Spent way to much time in the Plant List/Catalogue of life. What was wrong with the original tag? Oscularia caulescens. I know I purchase many plants that I later find were miss-labeled. Which is maddening because I then pass along the miss-information during public tours. Nothings perfect! Now I cross check with ATP and the multiple photos from various sources is really key. Thats how I stumbled upon this. Oscularia vredenbugensis is an unresolved name in the PL and nonexistent in C of L. Hope your able to untangle this. I tip my hat to you. Thank You!
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Jul 11, 2014 3:20 PM CST
Thanks zuzu your right on it. Thumbs up
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Jul 11, 2014 3:39 PM CST

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Oscularia vredenburgensis is an accepted species name, according to the Catalogue of Life. You're misspelling the name as "vredenbugensis," Leslie.

http://www.catalogueoflife.org/col/details/species/id/168890...

You probably didn't "goof on the synonym." I've already corrected some of these entries. Oscularia caulescens and Oscularia deltoides are separate and distinct species, so they never should have been combined as synonyms of Lampranthus deltoides, which is itself a synonym of Oscularia deltoides. Some fun, eh? Hilarious!

All of the photos ended up on the Oscularia caulescens page, but @Calif_Sue and @jojoe should check their photos to make sure they aren't supposed to be in the new entry for Oscularia deltoides (previously listed as a synonym, along with Lampranthus deltoides, in the O. caulescens entry). Also, @Valleylynn also says she owns this plant, so she should check to make sure she has O. caulescens rather than O. deltoides.

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HamiltonSquare
Jul 11, 2014 4:07 PM CST
I think my brain is cramping! Sticking tongue out Your a wiz at this. Thanks!
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Jul 11, 2014 6:25 PM CST

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HamiltonSquare said:I think my brain is cramping! Sticking tongue out Your a wiz at this. Thanks!


I'm with you on that!! Hilarious!

All my photos are as I had them labeled, Oscularia deltoides, don't know why it's in that entry.


I knew of the name change to Lampranthus deltoids as mentioned in this thread below so I am surprised to see it the other way around. Or maybe I shouldn't be surprised anymore!
The thread "Please help with an ID !!!" in Plant ID forum

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Name: Zuzu
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Jul 11, 2014 8:20 PM CST

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Sue, I'll move your photos to the separate O. deltoides entry I created when the original entry became the O. caulescens entry with no synonyms. There were two accepted names in the original entry, and I chose to leave it as O. caulescens because Tarev had a lot of pictures that would have had to be moved. I didn't notice that yours were labeled. Sorry. *Blush*

Don't forget to edit your plant list accordingly. It now says you own O. caulescens instead of O. deltoides. Smiling
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valleylynn
Jul 11, 2014 9:03 PM CST
This is the one I had. I lost it last year.
Oscularia deltoides, I bought it as a Lampranthus.


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Jul 11, 2014 9:53 PM CST

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Please add that photo to the O. deltoides entry, Lynn, and fix your plant list, which now says you own O. caulescens.

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