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Name: D Brawner
Daufuskie Island SC (Zone 8b)
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dbrawner
Aug 1, 2014 7:52 AM CST
I noticed that the "Uses" list is very long and was wondering if anyone thought that maybe using categories. I think breaking the big list into categorical groupings will make it easier to manage.
Just a quick 5min example:
*Utility Uses:
Erosion control
Guardian plant
Groundcover
Shade Tree
Attracts Bees
Attracts Birds
Attracts Butterflies
Attracts Hummingbirds
Will Naturalize
Good as a cover crop
Useful for timber production
Suitable for forage
*Visual Uses:
Provides winter interest
Flowering Tree
Water gardens
Cut Flower
Dried Flower
Suitable as Annual
*Edible Uses:
Culinary Herb
Vegetable
Salad greens
Cooked greens
*Medical Uses:
Medicinal Herb
*Location Uses:
Street Tree
Suitable for xeriscaping
Patio/Ornamental/Small Tree
Suitable as a houseplant
Suitable for terrariums
Suitable for bog gardening
Suitable for alpine/rock gardens
Suitable for espalier
Suitable for Topiary
Name: Dave Whitinger
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dave
Aug 1, 2014 8:00 AM CST

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The Uses category has indeed been a large catch all category that keeps getting larger and larger the more we put in. I'm all for moving these things around a bit and it wouldn't take much work to do.

I like your proposal above except for :

*Medical Uses:
Medicinal Herb

Having a category for one option probably isn't ideal. I wonder if Medicinal Herb can somehow be placed along with the edible features.
Name: D Brawner
Daufuskie Island SC (Zone 8b)
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dbrawner
Aug 1, 2014 8:18 AM CST
Yeah I saw that too but I just made a quick mockup with the first things that came to mind.
I wasn't sure if you wanted to categorize what was there now and/or maybe also add categories of things you would like to see in the future. With my perm hat on under utility uses having 'usable fiber' and 'usable dye' would be nice to know. But i see my garden as more of a Super Walmart ;-)
Name: Deb
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Bonehead
Aug 1, 2014 8:28 AM CST
Depending how detailed we want to get, medicinal could be split to include broad subcategories - antiseptic, astringent, diuretic, etc. Otherwise I think it could simply be a sub of Utility Uses.
I want to live in a world where the chicken can cross the road without its motives being questioned.
Name: Sandy B.
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Weedwhacker
Aug 1, 2014 7:04 PM CST
Why not under "edible uses," together with "culinary herb" ?
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Name: Zuzu
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Aug 1, 2014 7:06 PM CST

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I think some aren't ingested for medical reasons, but are rubbed on the skin instead, so that would rule out the "edible" description.
Name: Sandy B.
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Aug 1, 2014 8:50 PM CST
Ah -- good point, Zuzu! Smiling
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Name: Deb
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Bonehead
Aug 4, 2014 8:18 AM CST
And many herbs that are used medicinally are actually toxic so edibles is likely not a good all-around fit for them.
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Name: D Brawner
Daufuskie Island SC (Zone 8b)
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dbrawner
Aug 4, 2014 12:13 PM CST
What are your thoughts on just these two groups as a where and who it attracts?

Suitable locations: - (so were can you put it outside of the usual)
houseplant/indoors
terrariums
bog gardening
alpine/rock gardens
espalier
Water gardens
Topiary
Street Tree
*beach front/salt spray
xeriscaping
Patio/Ornamental/Small Tree

Wildlife Attractant:
Bees
Birds
Butterflies
Hummingbirds
*Other Beneficial Insects
*Deer
*Squares





Name: Dave Whitinger
Jacksonville, Texas (Zone 8b)
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dave
Aug 4, 2014 1:33 PM CST

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I love the idea of both groups.
Name: D Brawner
Daufuskie Island SC (Zone 8b)
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dbrawner
Aug 4, 2014 2:53 PM CST
Ok this grouping requires a little more change but I'm just 'can kicking'.
Some things would move out of other categories but its a group for what part do you it and another part for how.

Edible Parts:
Fruit
Flower
Bark
Stem
Leaves
*Roots
*Bulb
*Seeds/Nuts

Eating Method:
Tea
Culinary Herb/Spice
Raw
Cooked
?Fermented?

The uses of cooked greens,salad greens ,Vegetable could be converted by checking cooked and/or raw and which plant part.
Your thoughts?
Name: Dave Whitinger
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dave
Aug 4, 2014 3:22 PM CST

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Yes that all sounds great to me.
Name: Ann ~Heat zn 9, Sunset
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flaflwrgrl
Aug 4, 2014 5:40 PM CST
dbrawner said:What are your thoughts on just these two groups as a where and who it attracts?

Suitable locations: - (so were can you put it outside of the usual)
houseplant/indoors
terrariums
bog gardening
alpine/rock gardens
espalier
Water gardens
Topiary
Street Tree
*beach front/salt spray
xeriscaping
Patio/Ornamental/Small Tree

Wildlife Attractant:
Bees
Birds
Butterflies
Hummingbirds
*Other Beneficial Insects
*Deer
*Squares







What is *Squares? I'm suspecting a simple typo & you meant squirrels unless there's wildlife I don't know about being called squares.
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Name: D Brawner
Daufuskie Island SC (Zone 8b)
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dbrawner
Aug 4, 2014 7:05 PM CST
LOL yes I meant squirrels.
Name: Ann ~Heat zn 9, Sunset
North Fl. (Zone 8b)
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flaflwrgrl
Aug 4, 2014 7:22 PM CST
Thumbs up

I think we should add rabbits to that list. And gophers, pocket gophers.
I am a strong believer in the simple fact is that what matters in this life is how we treat others. I think that's what living is all about. Not what I've done in my life but how I've treated others.
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Name: Zuzu
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zuzu
Aug 4, 2014 8:14 PM CST

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I prefer the deer resistant checkbox we already have. Almost anything would attract deer. I think it's easier and more useful to list the plants that are resistant.

Gophers fall into the same category. I think they're attracted to everything but daffodils, society garlic, arum, and some alliums and euphorbias. I used to think they only wanted my bulbs and roses, but after I started planting those in gopher-proof cages, the gophers started eating everything else. A massive oak tree in my county was killed by gophers a few years ago.
Name: D Brawner
Daufuskie Island SC (Zone 8b)
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dbrawner
Aug 4, 2014 9:47 PM CST
How about adding
Wildlife Resistant:
Birds (fliers)
Deer/Goat (big ground 4 leggers)
Squares/Chipmunk (tree critters)
Gophers/Vole (underground critters)
Rabbits (small ground 4 leggers)
?Fish? ( I've never done a water garden so i don't know if you have to worry about your carp eating all your plants)
?Insect?



Name: Dave Whitinger
Jacksonville, Texas (Zone 8b)
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dave
Aug 5, 2014 6:14 AM CST

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Wildlife Resistance seems like a good idea. I'd suggest leaving off fish and insects, though.
Name: D Brawner
Daufuskie Island SC (Zone 8b)
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dbrawner
Aug 5, 2014 7:13 AM CST
Yeah i wasn't sure if fish resistance was a thing ;-)
Insects would just fall into hardy.

There should be "bullet proof" checkbox for things like Sansevieria trifasciata and Morus nigra.
Name: Deb
Pacific Northwest (Zone 8b)
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Bonehead
Aug 5, 2014 9:04 AM CST
Here is a suggestion for herbal uses, if we want to break that down to specifics. If so, I would invite @Sharon to comment/edit:

Analgesic – relieves pain
Anti-inflammatory – reduces inflammation
Antioxidant – prevents cell damage
Antipyretic – reduces fever
Antiseptic – inhibits or prevents decay or growth of bacteria
Antispasmodic – relieves or prevents spasms and cramps
Aphrodisiac – increases sexual desire
Appetizer – increases appetite
Astringent – slows bleeding or mucus discharge
Carminative – prevents gas forming or aids in expelling
Demulcent – soothes and relieves irritation of inflamed mucous membranes
Dentrifrice – cleans teeth and gums
Digestive – assists digestion
Diuretic – promotes production & excretion of urine
Emetic – causes vomiting
Emmenagogue – helps with menstrual problems
Emollient – softens & soothes skin
Expectorant – thins & ejects mucous
Hepatic – aids liver function
Laxative – promotes evacuation of the bowels
Sedative – calms or reduces stress or anxiety, induces sleep
Stimulant – increases activity or efficiency of a system or organ
Tonic – restores and strengthens



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