Daylilies forum: The real H. 'Dorothy Lambert' daylily?

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Aug 12, 2014 10:17 PM CST

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I need some help here and hope someone may be able to shed some light on the matter.

It seems there is an imposter 'Dorothy Lambert daylily in pretty wide circulation, the numerous internet images from many nurseries and as well as our database showing the same looking bloom from several different gardens.
Daylily (Hemerocallis 'Dorothy Lambert')
However, it does not match the description "pink with bluish mauve eyezone and pale yellow throat". The image on the AHS does match http://www.daylilies.org/DaylilyDB/detail.php?id=19854 and that bloom is also on the internet, just not as prevalent as the incorrect image.

So does anyone know the story behind this mix-up? Looks like all the incorrect ones will have to be contacted and removed .
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dormantsrule
Aug 13, 2014 5:56 AM CST
Oakes has a DL, which does not look like the registered cv.

https://www.oakesdaylilies.com/categories/daylilies/products...

"This flower is a vibrant rosy pink bloom with a golden throat that makes the blooms stand out in the garden. A popular "tropical" color on a vigorous, good-performing plant. "
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Hemlady
Aug 13, 2014 6:00 AM CST
Images in the database and the image Oakes is posting do look similar except Oakes image is a bit darker in color. Growing in different soils could account for that though.
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Seedfork
Aug 13, 2014 7:24 AM CST
I just wrote Oakes and asked if they could help with finding the answer! If I get a response I will post it here.
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Aug 13, 2014 8:18 AM CST
Hemlady said:Images in the database and the image Oakes is posting do look similar except Oakes image is a bit darker in color. Growing in different soils could account for that though.


Yes, but they don't look like the photo in the AHS database, imo.

http://www.daylilies.org/DaylilyDB/detail.php?id=19854

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Calif_Sue
Aug 13, 2014 8:30 AM CST

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Yes, according to the registered description and the AHS photo, Oakes also has the incorrect one.
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Aug 13, 2014 9:41 AM CST


I found this

http://daysong.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/Dorothy20Lambe...

could be the right one!
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Aug 13, 2014 10:16 AM CST

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The coloring and the pale eyezone seems to match, the shape is different but that could be weather/environment related.
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Meredith79
Aug 13, 2014 11:07 AM CST
I mentioned this on the other garden forum a long time ago. So many people have the wrong one that they just don't seem to want to accept it. I finally think I figured out that the imposter Dorothy Lambert that everyone has is actually 'Something'.
I ordered it and when it bloomed it is identical to my imposter Dororthy Lambert. You can find the correct images in a few different places. I tried getting permission to use the AHS photo but they replied that they can not give permission. http://ezdaylilies.com/Lambert/Dorothy%20Lambert.htm
http://www.daylilydatabase.org/detail.php?id=19854&name=Doro...

I originally questioned it because Tranquil Lake Nursery had a completely different pic. http://www.tranquil-lake.com/catalog/daylilyphotos/Dorothe_L...
Plus the AHS description does not match the imposter. I think Oakes or some other nursery sold it mislabeled and it spiraled from there.
If you check Tinkers database http://www.daylilydb.com/ you can see a picture of something as well. The AHS description seems much more likely except mine has never reached the height listed, but I think that can be true with lots of Daylilies.

Plant sold to me as Dorothy Lambert on left. Something on right in a pot.
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Meredith79
Aug 13, 2014 11:13 AM CST
I should have mentioned, the only reason I care is because this just happens to be my absolute favorite daylily and I want to give credit where credit is due. Smiling

'Something' (Wild, 1967)

scape height 40 inches
bloom size 6 inches
bloom season Early-Midseason

ploidy Diploid
foliage type Dormant
bloom habit Diurnal

seedling # W66-236
Color: deep coral pink with green throat
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Meredith79
Aug 13, 2014 11:22 AM CST
Bloom on 'Something' I can remember by the black bar. That is in my veggie garden with drip irrigation.
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Bloom on supposed Dorothy Lambert same day. In my fence garden with the blueish salvia behind it.
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Aug 13, 2014 12:29 PM CST

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The mix up with 'Dorothy Lambert' appears to go a long ways back. There is a question about it in the AHS Robin archives from 2005. If an imposter, possibly 'Something' from looking at the images above, has been sold all this time and prior to 2005 it would make sense that there are a lot of incorrectly labeled 'Dorothy Lambert' plants out there.

Your images of 'Something' look similar to this image on E and B Farm's site and to the ones here at ATP.
http://eandbfarm.com/something.html

Funny how 'Something' seems to twist one petal in many of the images, even the ones here in the database.
The image on the Tranquil Lakes website appears to match the description for 'Dorothy Lambert' along with the daysong link mainstreet found.
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Calif_Sue
Aug 13, 2014 12:58 PM CST

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That 'Somethin' is really something, I love it! I don't have many daylilies on my wish list but this just went on it.
Thanks every for your input to this puzzle!
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Calif_Sue
Aug 13, 2014 3:28 PM CST

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@Joy has both daylilies, they sure look alike to me!



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blue23rose
Aug 13, 2014 3:43 PM CST
I do not see green in the throat on Something, so am wondering if the description is wrong or if I'm just not seeing it. I think these are both beautiful and both could live in my garden! Looks like Something throws out a poly every once in a while.
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Seedfork
Aug 13, 2014 4:01 PM CST
I don't see it either, but I don't think it is too unusual to see the written description say "Green throat" when the throat to me it looks yellow.
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Calif_Sue
Aug 13, 2014 6:09 PM CST

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maybe it's also wrong and has been that way for years. Blinking
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Meredith79
Aug 13, 2014 9:01 PM CST
Seedfork said:I don't see it either, but I don't think it is too unusual to see the written description say "Green throat" when the throat to me it looks yellow.


I agree, I have noticed that with others as well.
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Aug 13, 2014 9:05 PM CST
I got my Something Daylily from E& B, it was a small DF and it was late for my area. I actually almost lost it and when a tiny shoot showed up in it's place I potted it up and kept it on my dripline since last year. So that is why I wasn't able to notice they were similar sooner. I kind of ordered it with the idea that they may be the same.
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Aug 15, 2014 8:43 PM CST
I got my d.l. from Oaks 4 or 5 years ago. It's the tropical coral pink. I have only seen pictures that look the same as mine until a few weeks ago when this discussion came up on Facebook daylily groups. How could so many people have the wrong one and not realize it? I was mistakenly sent the wrong plant this spring and the second it bloomed knew it was wrong.


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