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Dec 16, 2014 9:16 AM CST
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Name: Caroline Scott
Calgary (Zone 4a)
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What is the current latin name for Alpine Fireweed?
In trying to research this plant I find:
Epilobium latifolium and Chamerion latifolium?
I am going to try germinating some seeds of this as a winter sow.
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Dec 16, 2014 1:53 PM CST
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Epilobium... I think
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Jan 2, 2015 10:48 AM CST
Thread OP
Name: Caroline Scott
Calgary (Zone 4a)
Bulbs Winter Sowing Plant Lover: Loves 'em all! Peonies Lilies Charter ATP Member
Region: Canadian Enjoys or suffers cold winters Million Pollinator Garden Challenge Garden Ideas: Master Level
Now I am not sure???
On the NARGS seed lists --they closed down Epilobium and moved them to Chamerion?
I guess that I will use both on my searches.
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Jan 2, 2015 1:15 PM CST
Name: Rick R.
Minneapolis,MN, USA z4b,Dfb/a
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That's just the way things go. "Old" names will always hang around, and it's unlikely that will ever change. So knowing (and using) both is the best option.

I donated seed under "Coryphantha vivipara" because that is the species' accepted name in the FOA (Flora of North America). I see though, that it is offered as Escobaria vivipara in the NARGS Seed ex. Laura uses different references, I guess, and that's okay. I know cacti aficionados like to keep the "Escobaria" designation because it makes it easier to differentiate the types in the shorthand of Botanical Latin. I do the same thing with Lilium for my records, too. There will always be new classifications spurred by new technology and study, and even if a new designation system is devised that could deal with the continual changes, you'll still need to "know it all".
When the debate is lost, slander becomes the tool of the losers. - Socrates
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Jan 2, 2015 6:15 PM CST
Thread OP
Name: Caroline Scott
Calgary (Zone 4a)
Bulbs Winter Sowing Plant Lover: Loves 'em all! Peonies Lilies Charter ATP Member
Region: Canadian Enjoys or suffers cold winters Million Pollinator Garden Challenge Garden Ideas: Master Level
Yes, I guess so!
I wish the botanists were more like the chemists,
and develop a system of nomenclature
so there is one systematic name.
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Jan 2, 2015 10:14 PM CST
Name: Rick R.
Minneapolis,MN, USA z4b,Dfb/a
Garden Photography The WITWIT Badge Seed Starter Wild Plant Hunter Region: Minnesota Hybridizer
Garden Sages I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database! Plant Identifier Million Pollinator Garden Challenge
There actually is one or more.... where the same name could then be jostled about within the taxonomic hierarchy. But then the name would have no meaning in regard to the plant identity itself, like it could be a number, or something nonsensical. Names would be completely flavorless.
What you want is a common name that would be universal?

Well, Esperanto didn't catch on, either.
When the debate is lost, slander becomes the tool of the losers. - Socrates
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Sep 4, 2016 5:30 PM CST
Name: Mary Stella
Chester, VA (Zone 7b)
Dahlias Canning and food preservation Lilies Peonies Permaculture Ponds
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According to The Plant List:
Epilobium alpinum L. is a synonym of Epilobium palustre L.
And:
Chamerion angustifolium (L.) Holub is a synonym of Epilobium angustifolium L.

So it would appear that Chamerion is now Epilobium

And GRIN, the national germplasm system that we really rely on at the botanical garden, along with The Plant List and ITIS says:
Taxon: Epilobium angustifolium L.
Synonym of Chamaenerion angustifolium subsp. angustifolium

Note: Chamaenerion versus Chamerion --- different spelling??? Arghhhhhh D'Oh!
From -60 Alaska to +100 Virginia. Wahoo
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Sep 5, 2016 8:18 AM CST
Thread OP
Name: Caroline Scott
Calgary (Zone 4a)
Bulbs Winter Sowing Plant Lover: Loves 'em all! Peonies Lilies Charter ATP Member
Region: Canadian Enjoys or suffers cold winters Million Pollinator Garden Challenge Garden Ideas: Master Level
Thanks for reviving this thread, Mary.
Now I need to find out what happened to the Alpine Fireweed seeds that I wintersowed!
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Sep 6, 2016 8:38 PM CST
Name: Mary Stella
Chester, VA (Zone 7b)
Dahlias Canning and food preservation Lilies Peonies Permaculture Ponds
Garden Ideas: Level 2
lol. that is the most important thing.
From -60 Alaska to +100 Virginia. Wahoo
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