Irises forum: Tale of 3 Red Iris (Neat article)

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Name: Greg Hodgkinson
Hanover PA (Zone 6b)
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Misawa77
Jan 14, 2015 1:22 PM CST
I have been putting a lot of pictures into the database , the latest batch being "Historics". One of them, "Numa Roumestan" triggered a memory of a neat article about three RED irises and the competition between them in the marketplace. Never heard of "Numa Roumestan"? Me neither when I first ran across the article. The other two?

Indian Chief & Dauntlass

Hmmmmm.......................

Here is the link to the neat article.

http://historiciris.org/articles/three-red-iris.html


Dauntless; Indian Chief; Numa Roumestan



Which one do you have?

Which one would you want (if you did not have any of them)?
Name: Neal Linville
Winchester, KY (Zone 6a)
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gemini_sage
Jan 14, 2015 1:45 PM CST
Cool article Greg, thanks for sharing! I've got Indian Chief, and possibly Dauntless too. If so, I've lost track and have been thinking they're all Indian Chief for some time.
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Name: Mary Stella
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Oberon46
Jan 14, 2015 1:53 PM CST
Great article. And a nice writing style too.
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Name: Arlyn
Whiteside County, Illinois (Zone 5a)
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crowrita1
Jan 14, 2015 3:09 PM CST
Thanks for posting the link, Greg . I had read the article ,some years ago, and grow "two-out-of-three".....I'll have to "trade you out of" a piece of *Numa* Sticking tongue out ! I assume you have it, as it's your pic in the DB
Name: Greg Hodgkinson
Hanover PA (Zone 6b)
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Misawa77
Jan 14, 2015 3:58 PM CST
Nope! I have been posting large numbers of "Superstition Iris Gardens" pictures. It is their picture. I only grow "Indian Chief". Thumbs down

I just checked, Superstition Iris Gardens has "Numa Roumestan" for $5
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Name: Leslie
Durham, NC (Zone 8a)
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Lestv
Jan 14, 2015 5:14 PM CST
I quite like the much forgotten Numa! I don't grow any of them, but I am not one to let a little red iris go without a garden!
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Name: Neal Linville
Winchester, KY (Zone 6a)
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gemini_sage
Jan 14, 2015 5:31 PM CST
I would like to have all 3 to compare. It's interesting how far reds have come. I wonder if today we could even describe them as primarily red.
"...and don't think the garden loses its ecstasy in winter. It's quiet, but the roots are down there riotous." Rumi
Name: Arlyn
Whiteside County, Illinois (Zone 5a)
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crowrita1
Jan 15, 2015 9:44 AM CST
Thanks, Greg !

You're correct, Neal ! "Red" was, and still is, a *relative*term ! The same can be said for "Black", the yellows, and the 'true blues" seem to have been finally developed (after a lot of effort!), I find it interesting to see the "evolutionary changes" that have happened in iris, not only in "color", but in pattern, as well.
Name: Bonnie Sojourner
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grannysgarden
Jan 15, 2015 10:11 AM CST
I agree, Arlyn. How much further can they go? Some varieties are so ruffled now that it is hard to see the six falls, six standards form. To me they are a novelty iris. And the appendages on some of the space age irises are getting to be almost as big as a fall. With the exception of a true red and a true turquoise iris I don't know how many more 'new' looks can be achieved. We have diamond dusted and gold dusted. I do love some of the luminatas.
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DaveinPA
Jan 15, 2015 11:25 AM CST
To help differentiate between IC and the others note that the IC beard is fuller while the others become sparser/thinner toward the fall end.
Name: Celia
West Valley City, Utah (Zone 7a)
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Zencat
Jan 15, 2015 12:02 PM CST
What a neat article. Thanks for sharing. I need to get one or more them!..'

I agree about 'red.' It's the same with 'blue.' I see more purple or lavender than true blue.
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Name: Greg Hodgkinson
Hanover PA (Zone 6b)
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Misawa77
Jan 15, 2015 12:03 PM CST
I say get the most unusual one, which means get:

Numa Roumestan!
Name: Celia
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Zencat
Jan 15, 2015 12:05 PM CST
And its fun to say!
Name: Greg Hodgkinson
Hanover PA (Zone 6b)
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Misawa77
Jan 15, 2015 12:08 PM CST
Numa!
Numa!
Numa!

why, yes it is. Rolling on the floor laughing Rolling on the floor laughing
Name: Leslie
Durham, NC (Zone 8a)
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Lestv
Jan 15, 2015 1:11 PM CST
No more room to stand? !! No more rooma Stan? !!

Never mind me, just playing with the name since you said it was fun. Hilarious!
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Name: Mary Ann
Kentucky
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Muddymitts
Jan 15, 2015 2:20 PM CST
Hilarious!
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Name: Neal Linville
Winchester, KY (Zone 6a)
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gemini_sage
Jan 15, 2015 3:22 PM CST
Ah yes, I see that difference in the beard of IC, and it looks like Numa has a bit of a white line extending from the beard that the others don't. I've got 2 clumps, from different people in a swap some years ago, so I'll compare them when they bloom.
"...and don't think the garden loses its ecstasy in winter. It's quiet, but the roots are down there riotous." Rumi
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DaveinPA
Jan 15, 2015 7:25 PM CST
Neal,
True on the white center line.
Note also the difference in the haft veining. Dauntless has almost a circle of the white background, IC has less veining with other pix showing almost a straight across pattern and NR cuts back more sharply.
Will be interesting to see which you end up with.
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DaveinPA
Jan 15, 2015 7:31 PM CST
There is another interesting comparison of a couple of older irises, Wabash and Bright Hour, that is similar to the discussion started by Greg. The text and pictures are at: http://www.worldiris.com/public_html/gbu/gbu.html
Name: Sherry Austin
Santa Cruz, CA (Zone 9a)
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Henhouse
Jan 15, 2015 7:50 PM CST
loved this article! Indian Chief was on the property when I moved here. When I was trying to figure out if it was Dauntless or IC, I did quite a bit of comparing and asking questions. One of the other distinguishing features is that IC has a wire rim on the standards.
I need to get Dauntless this year, and would love to get Numa too.. I tend to be drawn to varieties that are impossible to get Smiling
Will read about Wabash now..
Thank-you Greg and Dave for posting those articles.
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