Plant ID forum: Salvia mexicana 'Lollie Jackson'

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Name: Sandi
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Bubbles
Jan 23, 2015 3:58 PM CST
I read in the paper this morning that Lollie Jackson died on January 19th. For anyone who collects salvias, her name should be familiar. While on a plant hunt in Mexico, she found a salvia that had not yet been discovered. It was then named for her, Salvia mexicana 'Lollie Jackson'. Although she lived most of her years in Houston, her funeral and burial will be held in Austin, where she grew up, on Saturday.

I believe the photo in the data base that shows Bubbles' photos as 'Limelight,' are 'Lollie Jackson.' The leaves of Lollie Jackson are larger and darker than the leaves of Limelight. Can anyone weigh in on this? I bought mine years ago in New Braunfels, TX. It was marked as Lollie Jackson, and I was told it was a start out of her garden.
It was later ID'd as Limelight, but I believe Limelight's leaves are lighter green and smaller.

Mexican Sage (Salvia mexicana 'Limelight')
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JRsbugs
Jan 23, 2015 4:54 PM CST
From what I can find, it's the colour of the calyces which make yours Limelight.

Lolly Jackson seemingly has slightly blackened calyces and is apparently a shorter form of 'Lolly'

http://www.fbts.com/salvia-mexicana-lolly.html


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Bubbles
Jan 23, 2015 9:09 PM CST
Thanks, Janet! We plan to go to the Wildflower Center tomorrow. I'll see if I can find anymore info.
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Danita
Jan 24, 2015 8:55 PM CST
There is currently a complete muddle involving the 'Lollie Jackson' name. It seems the original was probably the green-calyced version, but a dark-calyced imposter(?) has been sold under the name as well. The Salvia expert, Rich Dufresne, is currently trying to figure out which form is truly 'Lollie Jackson'. When I had 'Lollie Jackson' many years ago, it looked like yours and I loved it! I lost it and when I tried to find a replacement, all I could find was the dark-calyced form which I didn't particularly want. I'm still waiting to find the same 'Lollie Jackson' I had years ago. It was gorgeous! Lovey dubby
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Name: Sandi
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Bubbles
Jan 24, 2015 11:18 PM CST
I had no idea that Lollie Jackson was such a plant collector and landscape innovator. She started her own landscaping company and pushed native plants in Houston.

Danita, the one I have has been 5' tall in late summer and blooms into December. This year the drought and watering restrictions took its toll on it. It remained low, but it's still there. If it survives the winter, I would gladly send you a cutting. I've not been successful with rooting cuttings of it, but that may be me being impatient.

We planned to take grandson to the Wildflower Center today but he broke his clavicle this morning. I thought I'd ask if anyone could ID the salvia there, but we were a little "preoccupied."

RichDufresne
Feb 22, 2015 7:34 PM CST
I am awaiting a digital image from Peckerwood Gardens of the original planting of Lollie Jackson. I'm pretty sure the mexicana that I distributed with that name came from them, along with a number of others, like Tula and Ocampo. That was back in the mid 80s, and they were the first accessions of that species that I got. My labels indicated that the tall, deep purple Salvia mexicana with the really dense spikes was Lollie Jackson, and seed from this plant found its way to Australia, where selected seedlings were christened Lollie.

Almost two years ago, I received a request for Lollie Jackson, and about that time, my last stock plant gave up the ghost, prompting me to find a fresh start. That's when I found out that Lollie Jackson was supposed to have chartreuse calyxes like Tula and Limelight. Last spring, I finally found some stock, which I am propagating.

It has broader, glossier leaves than Limelight, but the foliage is different from the deep purple mexicana that I am also trying to identify. It's not as big as Ocampo, which has a less dense, more open flower spike, so it is different. It is also similar to my collections from sites along the old PanAm highway (Mex Fed 85) in Hidalgo, near La Placita and Puerto de la Zorra, which are typical forms with midnight purple flowers and calyxes.

Courtesy of Rolando Uria, I have seed of Lollie and a new, promising hybrid, Lolita. I hope to do some breeding this summer myself.

The image is a flat bed scan of the deep purple Lollie Jackson, which is in need of its true varietal name.

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Here is S. mexicana Limelight at the J C Raulston Arboretum on 10/19/2013

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The calyxes of Limelight are a pure chartreuse. Others seem to have darker veins.

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Marilyn
Feb 23, 2015 1:45 AM CST
Welcome to ATP Rich! Welcome! Welcome!

Beautiful Salvias and pics! Lovey dubby Thumbs up

I'll ask @FBTS and see if he can comment. Smiling

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Bubbles
Feb 23, 2015 10:44 AM CST
Welcome to ATP, Rich! Thank you for weighing in on this Plant ID.

I'm fairly certain I purchased this salvia at Schumacher's in New Braunfels, TX in 2001. Chip no longer owns the nursery. I did, however, also visit Peckerwoods with a Master Gardener group a few years ago. I purchased plants there when Yucca Do Nursery was on site, but don't recall any being salvias.



Name: Sandi
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Bubbles
Mar 7, 2015 2:10 PM CST
I found these two photos from September/2007 . I don't know if it helps. Mine seems more upright, than sprawling. I'm just hoping it comes back this year.


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