Plant ID forum: Brazilian wild orchid for id please..

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Name: Myriam
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bonitin
Feb 13, 2015 11:32 AM CST
This green flowered beauty I found living in the rainforest (Paraty-Brazil) on tree branches, my knowledge of orchids is near to non-extisting, so i even wouldn't know to what orchid family it could belong.. Rolling my eyes.
Hopefully someone over here knows more..
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Name: Ursula
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Ursula
Feb 14, 2015 7:46 AM CST
Miriam, you have such nice pictures here! I spent a couple hours last night searching, I struck out, sorry.
If you don't get it identified here, would you object if I shared your post on Facebook with the AOS group?
Name: Myriam
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bonitin
Feb 14, 2015 7:52 AM CST
Thank you Ursula, please go ahead, I don't mind at all to share it on Facebook! Smiling
Name: Ursula
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Ursula
Feb 14, 2015 8:15 AM CST
Ok done. I posted it on my page and shared it to the AOS group.
Name: Ursula
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Ursula
Feb 14, 2015 10:33 AM CST
The first reply says that the picture of the blooms are that of a Catasetum and the plant looks like a Mormodes. We are looking at two different Orchids.
Name: Myriam
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bonitin
Feb 14, 2015 11:00 AM CST
There are 8 species of Catasetum in the area according to the Flora do Brasil;
I think mine must be catasetum globiflorum.
Mormodes species don't occur in the area..
The plant photo is indeed from another orchid in the same place, but I believe the same species, the thin leaves with the pronounced nerves and the thickened base did look exactly like that one which was blooming but I somehow forgot to take pictures of its leaves..

http://floradobrasil.jbrj.gov.br/jabot/listaBrasil/ConsultaP...
Name: Myriam
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bonitin
Feb 14, 2015 11:05 AM CST
I think I was wrong with Catasetum globiflorum, after a better look.. Rolling my eyes.
https://www.google.be/search?q=Catasetum+globiflorum&es_sm=1...
Name: Myriam
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bonitin
Feb 14, 2015 11:13 AM CST
the 8 species of Catasetum registered for the Rio de Janeiro state are;

- Catasetum cernuum
- Catasetum discolor
- Catasetum globiflorum
- Catasetum hookeri
- Catasetum labiatum
- Catasetum luridum
- Catasetum macrocarpum
- Catasetum socco

None of them fits..
Name: Janet Super Sleuth
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JRsbugs
Feb 14, 2015 12:55 PM CST
I checked out the usual sources last night Myriam, although I only went through some of those in Orchidaceae for Rio de Janeiro, it was a long list. Smiling

Catasetum socco comes close but not quite right ..

https://www.flickr.com/photos/22824835@N07/12796997793


Name: Myriam
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bonitin
Feb 14, 2015 4:02 PM CST
Thanks Janet for chiming in! Smiling
The link you gave for Catasetum socco doesn't function, but I've checked it too in other links like this one:
https://www.google.be/search?q=Catasetum+socco&es_sm=122&tbm...
None of the 8 occuring species Catasetum in the Rio state seem to match..
Name: Ursula
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Ursula
Feb 14, 2015 4:53 PM CST
I have looked at all of them too yesterday. I was wondering, is it possible that these pictures were taken closer to someone's house?
Name: Myriam
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bonitin
Feb 15, 2015 1:58 AM CST
The orchids were located by the river, there are no houses over there..
Name: Ursula
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Ursula
Feb 15, 2015 7:44 AM CST
Hmm, there goes that thought. I was thinking that perhaps someone's Orchids got established nearby......
Name: Janet Super Sleuth
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JRsbugs
Feb 15, 2015 8:02 AM CST
I think there must be some variation in the species Myriam, often 'subspecies' have slight differences according to region. Catasetum socco still looks possible to me .. the flowers will look a little different as they open out more and age.

http://www.biolib.cz/en/image/id138404/

http://forum.theorchidsource.com/ubbthreads.php/ubb/showflat...
Name: Myriam
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bonitin
Feb 15, 2015 8:26 AM CST
I think you're right Janet, the images of Catasetum socco on the web all look a bit different, so mine could be another variety of the same species ans also looking different in the stage of opening of the flowers, I think I'll mark it as solved!
Thank you Ursula and Janet! Thumbs up
Name: Janet Super Sleuth
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JRsbugs
Feb 15, 2015 8:28 AM CST
I'm going through your old ID posts Myriam. The orchid plant without flowers looks the same as one you had before which we thought was Pabstia viridis, you can see the deeply ridged pseudobulbs ..

The thread "Brazilian rainforest plant." in Plant ID forum

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Name: Myriam
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bonitin
Feb 15, 2015 9:15 AM CST
Yes, it has a lot of similarity, but the plant growing on the rock I remember looked more sturdy and much bigger, but that doesn't say much maybe as it could have been a much older plant.. Rolling my eyes.
The foliage of the blooming one really did look like the non-flowering, but out of prudence I better leave it out when submitting to the database..
Name: Ursula
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Ursula
Feb 15, 2015 10:31 AM CST
I hope you don't mind me saying so, but are you sure you feel confident that the id is correct? Now if that were me, I would be reluctant to enter the plant into the database. A possibility is not an id?
http://www.orchidspecies.com/catsocco.htm
This one I trust.
Just my two cents....
Name: Janet Super Sleuth
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JRsbugs
Feb 15, 2015 11:31 AM CST
I understand your reluctance Ursual. But, as this is not a hybrid which we know can display features from other species, then in my unprofessional opinion it would have to display a very near likeness to other species located in the region.

As we have a list of the species found in Rio de Janeiro state, then we should be fairly confident it will be the one which looks most like it. I have searched several of the other genera found there, but not all, which is something I can do in order to come to the most likely conclusion. If I can do that, then it becomes a game of elimination.

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