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Name: Dave Whitinger
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dave
Mar 11, 2015 11:20 AM CST

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This has come up a few times and I'm wondering how many people are dealing with this issue. Say you are hybridizing and you have seedlings of a certain plant that you want to separately add to your plant list. Right now, you can't really do that since every plant in your plant list must already exist in the database.

I've been asked to make the plant list feature work with plants that are not in the database. In the case of plants like this, you'd be able to add custom details for your own "made up" plants just as if they were in the database. But they would only exist in your plant list.

So, my question is: how many of you would use a functionality like this?
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Horntoad
Mar 11, 2015 11:24 AM CST
I was planning on playing around with hybridizing my Hibiscus, this summer. I think I would like this feature. Also we have discussed before about being able to upload our own picture to the plant list. Since these new plants would not be in the database, we would need to be able to add our own pictures.
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Name: Connie
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pardalinum
Mar 11, 2015 11:26 AM CST
We could also add photos of our seedlings? If so I would find it useful.
Name: Dave Whitinger
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dave
Mar 11, 2015 11:31 AM CST

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Horntoad said:I was planning on playing around with hybridizing my Hibiscus, this summer. I think I would like this feature. Also we have discussed before about being able to upload our own picture to the plant list. Since these new plants would not be in the database, we would need to be able to add our own pictures.


Yes, being able to add photos would definitely be part of this.

It would be a huge undertaking, though, which is why I want to know that it'll get some use by a good number of people before I expend the effort.
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Seedfork
Mar 11, 2015 11:42 AM CST
I would love to have that feature to add NOIDS.
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Dutchlady1
Mar 11, 2015 11:45 AM CST
Me too.
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Frillylily
Mar 11, 2015 12:03 PM CST
I would use it to add my NOID daylilies or iris.
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kidfishing
Mar 11, 2015 12:07 PM CST
I would use it for my daylily seedlings and NOIDS.
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Name: Dave Whitinger
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dave
Mar 11, 2015 12:22 PM CST

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Okay, this is good. I'm glad there's a desire for it.

Basically, eventually the Plant List will become a personal plant database, with most of the features of the full database, especially databoxes that you can control on your own. You'll basically be the moderator of your own database that lives separate from the main database.

Plants that have a match in the database will continue to act as usual.
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Bonehead
Mar 11, 2015 12:27 PM CST
A possible alternative would be to add duplicate plants ( no clue if this would be more or less difficult). I have several NOIDS that will likely never be definitively ID'd. Currently these are in my list under the parent plant with personal photos included in the comments showing each -- hence 2-3 plants may be sharing one entry. It would be nice to somehow separate these to individual entries to better track care, problems, etc.
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Dutchlady1
Mar 11, 2015 12:34 PM CST
I agree with Bonehead
Name: Dave Whitinger
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dave
Mar 11, 2015 12:38 PM CST

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Bonehead said:A possible alternative would be to add duplicate plants


That would be a simple solution but it would not give people the power to setup characteristics for each plant, which is an important functionality that has been requested.
Name: Beverly
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vitrsna
Mar 11, 2015 12:50 PM CST
I think it would be very useful and much appreciated. Currently i have seedling volunteers in my garden. I know the genus in some cases but the plants have to grow up in order to determine the species. Photos of seedlings in the Database are so important to me. I would like to see every plant in the Database have at least one good seedling photo.

This feature would allow me to track plants of uncertain/unknown species so when all the necessary data is available it will be ready to add to the DB.
Name: Sandy B.
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Weedwhacker
Mar 11, 2015 10:13 PM CST
dave said:Okay, this is good. I'm glad there's a desire for it.

Basically, eventually the Plant List will become a personal plant database, with most of the features of the full database, especially databoxes that you can control on your own. You'll basically be the moderator of your own database that lives separate from the main database.

Plants that have a match in the database will continue to act as usual.


This sounds great to me; and I really like the part about being able to add our own photos! Thumbs up

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flaflwrgrl
Mar 12, 2015 11:20 AM CST
Several times I have found myself wishing for this feature and I would use it but it isn't *as* imperative to me as it is to those who presently hybridize. If you undertake it Dave, I will be very happy to have such available for use. At present I would be using it for NOID's.
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Name: Sandy B.
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Weedwhacker
Mar 12, 2015 6:34 PM CST
I agree with Ann-- it is totally not imperative to me; but I would really like to be able to use our own photo, or select a photo to use!
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Polymerous
Mar 12, 2015 8:31 PM CST
It is not an imperative feature, but it would certainly be a nice one. Apart from using it to track NOIDs and seedlings, it can also be used to add tet conversions of diploid daylilies to the plant list.

Right now, the database only allows for diploids, but not the Tetra conversions. (As an example... I have both 'Brocaded Gown' and Tetra 'Brocaded Gown', but only the dip is in the database... my options are to add a duplicate diploid 'Brocaded Gown' plant (if that is still even possible after some bug fixes) and make a notation that it is the Tetra version, or else just add a note to the one diploid entry.)

Being able to upload our images of these NOIDs, seedlings, and tet conversions is a must.

Thanks for considering this feature!
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Name: Kim W
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kimkats
Mar 12, 2015 8:50 PM CST
This would be awesome Dave! Thumbs up Hurray!
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Natalie
Mar 12, 2015 10:19 PM CST
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Name: Becky
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beckygardener
Mar 13, 2015 6:37 PM CST
I would certainly be interested in this feature for seedlings of Daylilies, Brugmansias, perhaps other plant species. I have lots of seedlings of those two mentioned.

Would we be allowed to look at other members entries and photos?

I would be most interested in seeing what certain crosses produce. (There could be a wide range of characteristics from two named parents.) It would be very interesting and helpful to see what might be dominating genetic characteristics (especially in the blooms).
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