Plant ID forum: Daylily (Hemerocallis); for ID

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Name: Dnd
SE Michigan (Zone 6a)
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DogsNDaylilies
Jul 6, 2015 7:43 AM CST
I got this from a man at a daylily garden, but he, himself, received it 25-35 years ago from someone who had it growing in their backyard. That means it's a much OLDER CULTIVAR, probably diploid (although I have no proof), and another hybridizer (whose opinion I highly respect and trust) looked at it and thought she might be very closely related to Fulva.

She has a beautiful MIDRIB, looks BI-TONE (I'm not completely sure what classifies as a bi-tone yet, though), has DARKER GREEN FOLIAGE than any of the other hybrids I currently have, and she appears to have 1-WAY BRANCHING with about an average of 8 BUDS? It's hard to tell on the buds because each scape has some that have fallen or bumped off. I put a tape measure in to let you guys determine what her average scape size is because I feel unqualified to make that determination.

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Can anyone help tell me what little cutie I have? I referenced AHS, but I either get zero results, 4 results that clearly aren't her, or I get TONS of results (most without pictures), depending on what search criteria I enter.
Name: Jean
Prairieville, LA (Zone 9a)
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Moonhowl
Jul 6, 2015 12:29 PM CST
one of the older daylilies of that sort is Autumn Red, by Nesmith in 1941

Autumn Red has the midrib and yellow throat and bloom color.

http://www.missouribotanicalgarden.org/PlantFinder/PlantFind...

Challenger (Stout) is also similar. This link has a few for comparison.

http://www.tranquil-lake.com/catalog/Color/red.htm

Hope this helps.
Name: Dnd
SE Michigan (Zone 6a)
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DogsNDaylilies
Jul 6, 2015 1:39 PM CST
Jean, I think you are definitely starting to hone in on it. Challenger really looks like it except that the petals and tepals of challenger aren't pointed enough and Challenger's flower and scape are much bigger than mine. And mone appears to be an early or an early mid bloomer. I'm starting to think it might be a parent, sibling, or child to challenger, though.

Thank you for the great leads!

Name: Jean
Prairieville, LA (Zone 9a)
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Moonhowl
Jul 6, 2015 2:33 PM CST
You are most welcome.

Poking around, I ran across a few places that may help. The first link is to a blog by DaylilyBReeder. Mayhap you could get some info there.

http://daylilybreeder.blogspot.com/2012/11/things-i-love-abo...

This is for some heirloom DLs

https://www.oldhousegardens.com/display/?cat=daylily

An inexpensive DL book by Arlow B Stout. He is considered the grandfather of hybrid DLs and introduced Challenger in 1949

http://www.amazon.com/Daylilies-Species-Garden-Clones-Hemero...

You may want to check out Cottage in the Meadow . Challenger is an evergreen and listed there.

https://cottageinthemeadow.plantfans.com/BlogPosts/EVERGREEN...

@LarryR is a member here and is quite knowledgeable when it comes to DLs.

http://garden.org/users/profile/LarryR/
Name: Dnd
SE Michigan (Zone 6a)
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DogsNDaylilies
Jul 6, 2015 6:07 PM CST
Jean, thank you you for the great research leads that you gave me! (As a side note, did you see Stout's "Theron"? What a beauty!)
Name: Jean
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Moonhowl
Jul 7, 2015 8:12 AM CST
You are so welcome. I hope it helps you in your search. Yes, Theron is an eyecatcher. I love the dark reds.
Name: Dnd
SE Michigan (Zone 6a)
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DogsNDaylilies
Jul 8, 2015 6:23 AM CST
This is really perplexing. Going through AHS's database again, searching for other intros by Nesbit (Autumn Red's creator), I came across this:
http://www.daylilies.org/DaylilyDB/detail.php?id=23035&name=...

Which looked VERY promising, except that mine appears early season and is shorter. But the other weird thing?...Compare the photo for "Gay Troubador" on AHS's database with the one on ATP's....they don't look the same at all!
Name: Jean
Prairieville, LA (Zone 9a)
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Moonhowl
Jul 8, 2015 9:43 AM CST
Even more perplexing...I could not find Hemerocallis Gay Troubador in the ATP database when I searched Daylilies. I do know that Elizabeth Nesmith introduced over 300 cultivars, and some of them are similar...this could be a long search for a name.

Have a look at these links.

http://patriotdaylilysociety.org/contest2012.htm

scroll down to the end for additional pictures in Pike photo contest.
http://patriotdaylilysociety.org/
Name: Dnd
SE Michigan (Zone 6a)
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DogsNDaylilies
Jul 8, 2015 10:00 AM CST
Moonhowl said:Even more perplexing...I could not find Hemerocallis Gay Troubador in the ATP database when I searched Daylilies. I do know that Elizabeth Nesmith introduced over 300 cultivars, and some of them are similar...this could be a long search for a name.

Have a look at these links.

http://patriotdaylilysociety.org/contest2012.htm

scroll down to the end for additional pictures in Pike photo contest.
]http://patriotdaylilysociety.org/


A long search, indeed. The pictures are just all over the place. From the first link, mine no longer looks like Nesbeth's "Gay Troubador" but, rather, Stout's "Caballero" (minus the crispate/pinched form). Oh my! Shrug!

I'm going to keep researching this, though, the answer has to be out there somewhere.
Name: Dnd
SE Michigan (Zone 6a)
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DogsNDaylilies
Jul 8, 2015 10:14 AM CST
Jean!...I might have just found it! I need to go outside to look because I think mine is a little more red, but, it might be this:
Daylily (Hemerocallis 'Violacea')

I'm so glad you posted the second link because I browsed through some of the photo contests for the other years and I found a picture of it here: http://patriotdaylilysociety.org/photo%20contest%202009.htm

Mine isn't as purple, but the season and height are more on par. I need to give this some more thought...if it isn't Challenger, Gay Troubador, Caballera, Autumn Red, or Violacea...then it must be a parent, sibling, or child plant of one because they are all SO CLOSE!
Name: Sue
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sooby
Jul 8, 2015 10:28 AM CST
Moonhowl said:Even more perplexing...I could not find Hemerocallis Gay Troubador in the ATP database when I searched Daylilies.


Nor could I using the ATP search, then I spelled it -dour (as registered):

Daylily (Hemerocallis 'Gay Troubadour')

EDIT: There's another daylily that's similar to yours, 'Red Cup'. I have it here but it's not in flower yet and I don't think I have a photo - will take one if it opens soon. There is a picture of it on this page I found on the web:

http://ottercreeknursery.ca/plants/daylilies/

Go to the second row in "mid season", fourth daylily from the left and click on it for a larger picture. This looks like mine but, again, the flower of 'Red Cup' in the ATP database doesn't look anything like it.

In some pictures, this one also looks rather like yours:

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Name: Dnd
SE Michigan (Zone 6a)
Dog Lover Daylilies Organic Gardener Houseplants Celebrating Gardening: 2015 Garden Ideas: Level 1
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DogsNDaylilies
Jul 8, 2015 10:44 AM CST
Sue, oops! Thank you for correcting my spelling, I was wondering why I found it but Jean didn't. Sorry, Jean! *Blush*
Name: Jean
Prairieville, LA (Zone 9a)
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Moonhowl
Jul 8, 2015 4:16 PM CST
No problem...I should have checked spelling but was on my way out..

Sue, as usual, Thanks for pointing the way, Thank You! Smiling

Cameras and monitors are really a detriment as much as a help in IDing flowers. Not only that, but time of day, available sunlight, and even the angle at which the photo is taken can add to the difficulty...for my eyes certainly.
Name: Carol
Santa Ana,Ca. (Zone 10b)
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ctcarol
Jul 8, 2015 7:09 PM CST
Let us not forget different growing locations, and vendor's sometimes doctored pictures.
Name: Jean
Prairieville, LA (Zone 9a)
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Moonhowl
Jul 9, 2015 12:06 AM CST
I agree Carol. You can see that right here in the ATP database. There are variances in color, size and height visible when the pictures are all seen as thumbnails.

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