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Aug 3, 2015 7:12 PM CST
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Name: Pat Strong
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Lol....I should have read your location.
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Aug 5, 2015 11:49 AM CST
Name: Sabrina
Italy, Brescia (Zone 8b)
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Pat I wish I could have maryott's DLs but I'm in Italy and I can't! I'm talking about a local nursery!
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Aug 5, 2015 12:45 PM CST
Name: Sharon
McGregor IA (Zone 4b)
Maryott's has wonderful plants! Thanks for reminding me, although I was determined not to order ant more DL's this year! I ordered from their BOGO 2 years ago and among others got Northwind Dancer, and Dragon Fire; both are now huge plants. Worth the postage.
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Aug 5, 2015 1:42 PM CST
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Name: Pat Strong
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Thanks Caitlinsgarden....I can't wait to see how my Maryott's order will perform in my hot humid zone.
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Aug 5, 2015 2:49 PM CST
Name: Sabrina
Italy, Brescia (Zone 8b)
Love daylilies and making candles!
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Pat236 said:Lol....I should have read your location.

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Really, I'd love to put my hands on some Maryott's cultivars.. I think it's just impossibile!
Sabrina, North Italy
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Sep 6, 2015 4:37 PM CST
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Name: Pat Strong
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Well well well....Rosy really is returning. This is Rosy after a few weeks with me. I never would have believed those dry looking sticks could look like this.
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Sep 6, 2015 4:44 PM CST
Name: Becky
Sebastian, Florida (Zone 10a)
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Daylilies are tough! Glad yours made a comeback!

You know ... Walmart sells daylily roots in black plastic bags during late Winter/Early Spring here. I've been relunctant to even consider purchasing any because I don't know how they would survive like that. But I am sure they do! As long as the roots are healthy, then the daylily will grow new leaves.
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Sep 6, 2015 5:17 PM CST
Name: Gale
CentralWa (Zone 6a)
Becky- The Daylilies from walmart will survive and grow, however, they will not grow into what they say they are. I bought several a few years ago, only one out of five, even resembled the name on the package, most seemed to be the yellow Stella.

Gale
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Sep 6, 2015 5:22 PM CST
Name: Becky
Sebastian, Florida (Zone 10a)
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Gale - Well, I can't say that does not surprise me. I have had good luck with Caladiums in the bags, but other plants are another thing. Thanks for re-affirming and giving me one more reason why I should refrain from any such daylily purchase at Walmart. (I also wondered if they might be tissue cultures.)
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Sep 7, 2015 5:21 AM CST
Name: Mayo
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beckygardener said:I also wondered if they might be tissue cultures.


I've seen several mentions of tissue culture being a big no-no... Blinking
Can someone enlighten me as to why that is? Shrug!

Mayo
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Sep 7, 2015 9:42 AM CST
Name: Lauri
N Central Wash. - the dry side (Zone 5b)
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I've had great luck with Gilbert Wild. I never order the expensive fancy ones though, I'm usually getting the ones that are under $10. Most of mine have been pretty good sized fans and I've never had one that didn't come up. (what happens after that is my fault!) They always give you a freebie and some of those has been nice surprises. I'm not a daylily aficionado- I just buy them to put in places that need something besides weeds to fill the area. It seems to me the less fancy/expensive ones grow bigger faster and flower earlier and more vigorously. I have one I bought years ago that was labeled "Wine Red". I still haven't figured out what it really is, but I suspect possibly Autumn Red. It's gigantic despite being divided several times and is reblooming right now. I know that Stella is looked upon with disdain by some daylily lovers, but she blooms like there's no tomorrow!
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Sep 7, 2015 10:01 AM CST
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Name: Pat Strong
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Lauri, Rosy Returns was a bonus, but I didn't think it would survive thru the week. I was tempted to throw it out, but I'm glad that I didn''t. It has come a long way. I don't expect it to bloom in the spring, but who knows.
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Sep 7, 2015 10:11 AM CST
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Name: Pat Strong
Stone Mountain (Zone 8a)
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Mayo, here is a link to a previous thread on tissue culture; It contains some good information.



http://garden.org/thread/go/10...
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Sep 7, 2015 10:12 AM CST
Name: Betty
Bakersfield, CA
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Pat, maybe your ROSY RETURNS was going through summer dormancy when you received it. That's where a plant dies back to the ground when stressed by summer heat and/or maybe not enough water -- but then it comes back when conditions improve. I had not heard of it until last year, and I kept thinking all these plants had died in our summer heat -- and then they came back! One of mine that reliably goes through summer dormancy is CROCODILE SMILE every July/August, and it looks just like your picture.

Mayo, I'm certainly not an expert on this, but I believe tissue culture is when they literally take small amounts of tissue from a plant and then grow new plants from it. And I've read complaints that the plants are often different and don't perform as well because of mutations or something. Hopefully you'll get a better response than this from someone who really knows...
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Sep 7, 2015 10:18 AM CST
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Name: Pat Strong
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Thanks Betty,
Maybe it was summer dormancy, but I thought it was a goner:) I'll keep my eyes on it to see how it performs thru the winter and onto the spring. I think I will keep it in a pot until it gets bigger. There seem to be at least six fans. I've always heard that daylilies are hardy plants.
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Sep 7, 2015 3:38 PM CST
Name: Sharon
McGregor IA (Zone 4b)
Maryott's BOGO sale is a real bonus sale. Their fans are huge and they grow really well.
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Sep 7, 2015 7:48 PM CST
Thread OP
Name: Pat Strong
Stone Mountain (Zone 8a)
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caitlinsgarden said:Maryott's BOGO sale is a real bonus sale. Their fans are huge and they grow really well.



Yes indeed...Maryott's knows how to do 'bonus plants'. I ordered 3 plants back in July and got 2 bonus plants, all huge and healthy. I have a couple with buds right now. I can't wait to see which ones they are.
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Sep 9, 2015 8:59 AM CST
Name: Lauri
N Central Wash. - the dry side (Zone 5b)
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Pat, I also received Rosy Returns as a bonus plant and it bloomed weakly the first year. This year it had several blooms and is settling in to look pretty good, despite having some major digging done right around it. Sometimes the little guys surprise you!
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Sep 9, 2015 9:14 AM CST
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Name: Pat Strong
Stone Mountain (Zone 8a)
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Lauri, Rosy is not one that I would have ordered , but looking at the pics in the data base I like it. It's shorter than those that I normally purchase but I haven't met a daylily that I just don't like. I hope mine will bloom in the next spring.
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Sep 9, 2015 1:15 PM CST
Name: Maurice
Grey Highlands, Ontario (Zone 5a)
Mayo62 said:I've seen several mentions of tissue culture being a big no-no...
Can someone enlighten me as to why that is?


I don't worry about buying a tissue cultured (tc) daylily. Many years ago when some daylily enthusiasts complained that tissue cultured daylilies were not identical to the normal divisions I purchased about half a dozen tc daylilies and compared them to their normally vegetatively propagated plants and found no permanent differences.

When a daylily increases it does so because it produces new growing points or technically new shoot apical meristems (SAM). Each new fan has one main SAM.
In micropropagation (or commonly tissue culture) a small piece of just about any part of the daylily (usually not roots) is put into a 'soup' of nutrients and plant hormones and forced to become a new meristem. The new meristem ultimately produces a new shoot (fan) and becomes its SAM.

When the plant makes a new meristem naturally, many cells are involved and so even though some of the cells may be mutant or abnormal their effects are usually hidden. They are not always hidden - that is one way new 'sports' or mutations are found.

When a plant is micropropagated very few cells may form the new meristem and some may be abnormal. There are various reasons why some may be abnormal. Not all the abnormalities are necessarily permanent or genetic and inheritable. Abnormal plants produced by micropropagation are called somaclonal variants.

Reputable micropropagation labs use methods that reduce the chances of producing off-types (somaclonal variants) and the plantlets they produce are grown out to flowering size so that any such off-types can be removed or 'rogued'.

It has been estimated that on average from one to three percent of a batch of micropropagated plants of some species are somaclonal variants. Rarely, a cultivar of some species cannot be micropropagated successfully; no normal plantlets are produced.

Micropropagating daylilies had started by the 1980s. R. J. Griesbach wrote an article in the 1990 Daylily Journal where he stated, "The occurrence of somaclonal variants in Hemerocallis is practically nonexistent. Among the more than 200 micropropagated plants and 27,000 flowers of 'Autumn Blaze', not a single variant was found. In commercial tissue culture propagation, variants have never been found. Because of this genetic stability, micropropagated plants are not a satisfactory source of variation."

Griesbach wanted variants so he devised a tissue culture method that produced variants in daylilies. This is what he wrote, ""We developed a tissue culture technique for inducing somaclonal variation. Of 500 tissue-cultured plants and 2500 flowers of 'Eenie Weenie', two variants were found."

One of the variants reverted back to normal; the other was stable. So, even when one tries to produce tissue culture daylily variants one manages about one in 500 plants.

If one buys a daylily at a general plant nursery and it seems different from its vegetatively produced clone the reason is not likely to be because of the tissue culturing. There are many reasons why plants that are tiny, or grown in greenhouses during the winter in the north, or have been mislabelled, etc may be different from field grown clones. Those reasons are unrelated to the tc process.

The most interesting story I learned about some of the causes of discontent when buyers purchased tissue cultured daylilies was related to 'Edge of Darkness'. My wife bought a tc version of 'Edge of Darkness even though I had a vegetatively propagated plant growing in my field. As soon as it bloomed I knew it was not 'Edge of Darkness'. It was also clear that it was not a tc problem; it simply was the wrong plant. Several years later I discussed the 'Edge of Darkness' problem with a representative from the company that marketed it. Turned out the field workers had been instructed to dig 'Edge of Darkness' from one particular end of a field but they misunderstood and dug from a different end thereby digging up a completely different cultivar. No one who purchased the tc 'Edge of Darkness' received the correct plant but it had nothing to do with tc problems. That is however, what most purchasers decided was the case, incorrectly.

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