Seedfork said:1. By the stats presented by one poster about 40 per cent of the daylilies in the database do not have bud count and branching info. (I think that is the main reason this got started).
daylily said:Are you all thinking of changing the stats that are listed, or adding on an additional section for ATP member observation information?
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If this is info from ATP members, I hope it will be noted in a seperate section or somehow clearly identified that way.
daylily said:
It seems to me that the info going into the form is the same info most hybridizers put into the registration, so it should have been imported from the AHS.
daylily said:
First it was about making comments, then threads, now changing the database information.
daylily said:
Are you all thinking of changing the stats that are listed, or adding on an additional section for ATP member observation information?
daylily said:
I am not sure changing the hybridizer's registered information in our database is a good thing. Lets say the hybridizer did not register a plant as being fragrant in Indiana because he has smelled 400,000 daylilies and it takes a daylily with at least average fragrance before he registers it as fragrant. Perhaps he feels you should be able to smell it as you walk by, without even bending down to put your nose into the flower.
Then here at ATP, we have two people fill out the form who have grown daylilies 3 years and have 50 daylilies in their garden, so they really have limited daylily experience. They put down fragrant on the form, because their idea of being fragrant might be that they can smell a whiff of fragrance when they stick their nose all the way into the flower.
Two different perspectives.
daylily said:
If this is info from ATP members, I hope it will be noted in a seperate section or somehow clearly identified that way.
DogsNDaylilies said:it might have morphed somewhat into creating a separate section of "user-submitted data" which I think would be great. @dave , is that sort of what you were thinking, too? Or maybe results based on user-submitted data could be a different color but in the same box? I'm not sure...
DogsNDaylilies said:. No doubt there are hybridizers who smoke and, as a result, can't smell their daylilies. Would you still argue that they are more 'expert' at the topic of fragrance than an average ATP user?
DogsNDaylilies said:.If I have a question on whether something is fragrant, I'll question it, but when I mark something as fragrant, it is because it was clearly fragrant when I did a sniff-check.
daylily said:.
Sorry I found this thread confusing. First it was about making comments, then threads, now changing the database information.
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DogsNDaylilies said:
I think it was always about adding to the database information for cultivars that don't have the information provided.
DogsNDaylilies said:Becky, I like that idea. It goes back to my idea of featuring certain cultivars in order to draw attention to specific ones so that we can gather larger amounts of data for each cultivar instead of a sprinkling of information here and there.
Char said:How useful is the structured data that is gathered if all the variables are beyond what a computer can tell us? Not only do all the variables of growing daylilies come into question, but add in those of the "user" filling out the form. The data may be structured, but of very little value.
Char said:
Yes, I would consider myself more "expert" on the topic of fragrance than the average ATP user. And I can smell my daylilies just fine Thank You.
Char said:
So you, as a newbie, think you have the right to question if someone else has or is qualified to do a sniff test on a daylily, but if you mark one fragrant we are suppose to take that info as reliable. What about all this other info you want folks to fill out? Would we be wasting our time because yoiu are going to question if we know what we are doing? Sorta makes your form a mute point doesn't it?
Char said:
Guess I don't see why this thread has gone on as long as it has.
Char said:
the few who have replied have been largely or completely ignored and now treated rudely....(great way to introduce yourself to a website forum by the way )
Char said:
as the conversation has rambled on. How many hands did you get for folks willing to take the time out of their already busy day and all to short bloom season to fill out your form?
Char said:
Daylilies are living things, they are not predictable, they live, they die, they grow well one year and maybe not another, in your garden one struggles while 1/2 a mile down the road it is outstanding.
We already have a comments section in the database, perfect to enter the data the newbies crave. People who enter info get an acorn. Yet folks do not take the time to make comments...now you want them to fill out a form after they spend how much time gathering all the info to fill it out..in their garden, other gardens...
Char said:
The majority of daylilies will have between 2 and 4 branches when grown in the average garden, 5 buds per branch, 10 to 20 buds on a scape. If you like the look of the bloom, look in the database for the registration information, check the AHS Popularity Poll results for your region, buy it, try it. Grow it 3 years then decide if it is worthy of a space in YOUR garden.
Char said:
So which is it?
DogsNDaylilies said: ...but I would argue that there isn't a set way of determining fragrance. Granted, I'm a newbie, but have you, yourself, read somewhere that specifies how fragrance is to be determined? If not, what's to say that hybridizers don't 'stick their noses way in' the flower or only count it as fragrant if it is overwhelmingly fragrant when they walk by?
Seedfork said:That idea certainly has merit, I was wondering how the plants would best be selected?
Seedfork said:
Don't want to put more on Dave with this other project going.
Seedfork said:
But I did wonder if there might be a way to pull up plants with no data for buds and branching, and maybe a report on how many people have that plant and feature those in alphabetical order, or maybe by most owned and most wanted first.