Plant ID forum: Chinese Tallow Tree (Triadica sebifera)

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Name: Elizabeth
Wilmington, NC (Zone 8a)
elizbe
Jul 22, 2015 7:51 AM CST
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This plant has popped up and grows fast. I'm hoping it will have flowers, but I have no idea what it is.
Name: Jolana
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froggardener
Jul 22, 2015 7:59 AM CST
Looks like a chinaberry tree
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Name: Lin
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plantladylin
Jul 22, 2015 8:06 AM CST
Not Chinaberry but rather Chinese Tallow Tree (Triadica sebifera)
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Name: Greene
Savannah, GA (Sunset 28) (Zone 8b)
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greene
Jul 22, 2015 8:10 AM CST
Edited because I cross posted. I agree with plantladlin

Welcome! elizbe,
I'm almost afraid to tell you. If my eyes are seeing this correctly, it is a Chinese Tallow Tree/Triadica sebifera; extremely invasive. It will crowd out native species.

You have not yet filled in your information to show us where you live/location/climate zone., but wherever you live, this tree is bad news.
Not only will it create tons of viable seeds but the roots are powerfully strong and can travel long distances under concrete sidewalks and house slabs.

Some people who keep honeybees actually plant this tree because they care more about making honey than they do about the environment.
Please be responsible and destroy it. Thank You!
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Name: Lin
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plantladylin
Jul 22, 2015 8:14 AM CST
It's a pretty tree but invasive in some areas. It's considered invasive in many areas:

http://invasive.org/browse/subinfo.cfm?sub=3079
http://plants.ifas.ufl.edu/node/676

It's listed as a category I invasive here in Florida: http://www.plantatlas.usf.edu/flip/plant.aspx?id=40
I've found a few seedlings over the years and last week spotted one sprouting in a flower bed in my yard and one popping up in a container.

More links with images for comparison:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Triadica_sebifera
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Name: Jolana
Mountain City, Tx (Zone 8b)
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froggardener
Jul 22, 2015 8:34 AM CST
That's what I meant, sorry lol I'm trying to give up coffee but don't think I'll be able to function, lol
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Name: Lin
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plantladylin
Jul 22, 2015 8:39 AM CST
LOL Jolana, I only drink one to two cups of coffee every morning but I can't imagine giving it up. Smiling
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Name: Jolana
Mountain City, Tx (Zone 8b)
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froggardener
Jul 22, 2015 10:21 AM CST
It's been 4 days and I have put the milk in the microwave but sent dh out for milk thinking we were out. There is more but embarrassing
LOL Maybe I will just have a cup every morning. The doctor said that is why I can't sleep, hasn't made a lick of difference
Sorry about the hijack Shrug!
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Name: Lin
Florida (Zone 9b)
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plantladylin
Jul 22, 2015 10:49 AM CST
Yeah, too much caffeine (especially late day or at night) can definitely cause sleeplessness. I only drink one to 2 cups of coffee every morning but I'm sometimes really bad about drinking Iced Tea and Diet Coke all day long and end up with caffeine over-load! I have to force myself to cut back on the caffeine and sometimes make myself drink 2 bottles of water for each glass of tea or diet cola ... which is very hard. Green Grin!
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Name: Elizabeth
Wilmington, NC (Zone 8a)
elizbe
Jul 22, 2015 10:59 AM CST
@plantladylin and @greene thanks for the info - I will cut it down tomorrow morning. I'm in Wilmington, NC - sorry I haven't gotten around to filling in all my info - will get to it soon.

@Jolanna - good luck with the coffee problem and the sleep problem:)
Name: Lin
Florida (Zone 9b)
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plantladylin
Jul 22, 2015 1:03 PM CST
elizb, I found another one sprouting alongside my house when I was mowing the lawn today and I need to yank it as well. They sure are pretty trees Sighing! it's a shame they are so invasive!
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Name: Greene
Savannah, GA (Sunset 28) (Zone 8b)
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greene
Jul 22, 2015 1:30 PM CST
This is not the best photo in the world. You can see the trunk of the 'Popcorn Tree' which I cut down. Look at the two lateral roots; the one on the left grew under the concrete patio; the lateral root on the right was heading off to anywhere it could. This is a determined tree. After cutting the main trunk I had to sever the lateral roots and cover the cuts with dark plastic to omit all light and all rain water to prevent the tree re-growing.
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Edited to add: The diameter of the lateral roots is about 3 inches, nearly as large as the main trunk.

Sunset Zone 28, AHS Heat Zone 9, USDA zone 8b~~"Leaf of Faith"
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Name: Lin
Florida (Zone 9b)
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plantladylin
Jul 22, 2015 1:49 PM CST
Yep, they can sure cause some major issues if left to grow at their own will! We also have problems in central and southern Fla. with Umbrella Tree (Schefflera actinophylla) as well as Rubber Tree (Ficus elastica) and a few others too. The roots can crack and damage sidewalks and house foundations!
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