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Feb 10, 2016 9:06 PM CST
Name: David Laderoute
Zone 5B/6 - NW MO (Zone 5b)
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7 - 72 cell trays and I have barely made a dent in what needs to be planted. RESTRAINT! Nahhh.
30 + Plumeria seedlings
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Feb 11, 2016 5:31 AM CST
Name: Lucky
Sacramento CA (Zone 9b)
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@Bradfish83

what's those big trunk plants to the right next to the seedlings in the picture?
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Feb 11, 2016 12:09 PM CST
Name: Gerald
Jacksonville, Florida (Zone 9a)
Plumerias
luckyzl230 said:@Bradfish83

what's those big trunk plants to the right next to the seedlings in the picture?


@luckyzl230
Those are Plumeria as well. One is a branch that I was given and already took cuttings from, trying to bag root it. The other is one I dug up as it was getting cold and most leaves already fell off with one new leaf.
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Feb 11, 2016 12:41 PM CST
Name: Gigi AdeniumPlumeria
Florida (Zone 9b)
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Quite cold here today, it was 36 when I got up tris morning. My big plumerias are out unprotected, hopefully it will not go down below 30's. Seedlings are in the covered patio but I kept them bone dry.
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Feb 11, 2016 7:44 PM CST
Name: Lucky
Sacramento CA (Zone 9b)
Plumerias
Bradfish83 said:

@luckyzl230
Those are Plumeria as well. One is a branch that I was given and already took cuttings from, trying to bag root it. The other is one I dug up as it was getting cold and most leaves already fell off with one new leaf.


Why do I hear some people bag rooting, bare rooting and others just keep it in the pot.
Is there a difference? Do some plumerias like to be bare rooted? Do they react differently next growing season?

I also see that you cut all the branches off. Is there a reason why you did that? Was it getting to tall?
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Feb 11, 2016 7:50 PM CST

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Those are different things you talk about.
Barerooting means to remove all the soil from the roots, usually done before shipping a plant.

Bag rooting means rooting a cutting by placing it in a tightly closed plastic baggie with very little soil.

I do 'gang rooting' where I place a whole stack of cuttings together in a big bucket with a few inches of perlite. This is what has always worked best for me when trying to root cuttings.
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Feb 12, 2016 2:34 PM CST
Name: Lucky
Sacramento CA (Zone 9b)
Plumerias
Ok, I get it now. Just different ways of doing different things.

Wow, just when I thought I started to get everything down I learn more stuff
Thanks Hetty Smiling
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Feb 12, 2016 8:24 PM CST
Name: Gerald
Jacksonville, Florida (Zone 9a)
Plumerias
That long piece is what was left of a much larger piece I was given. I wanted mutiple trees so took about 15 cutting and stuck them in pots to root with soil. Unfortunately they got rained on and I lost most due to rot. I took those I could save and cut the rot off and am trying bag rooting. So far two of the 5 I managed to save have good roots growing. That big piece doesn't seem to be doing anything yet, not sure if it will root or not. Next time I get a bunch of cutting like that I'll probably try gang rooting as Hetty mentioned. I got to see why works best and I'll stick with that.

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Feb 13, 2016 7:18 AM CST
Name: Gerald
Jacksonville, Florida (Zone 9a)
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I think I like the rapid rooter plugs. Very easy to check root development. Easy to use with no mess and once ready to pot, just stick the seedling with the plug into the soil.

This one was planted about 3 weeks ago.


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Feb 13, 2016 8:10 AM CST

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If they have the mesh around the plugs - I usually remove that before planting out.
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Feb 13, 2016 10:55 AM CST
Name: Lucky
Sacramento CA (Zone 9b)
Plumerias
Looks like they are growing very nicely Smiling
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Feb 13, 2016 2:02 PM CST
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Name: Mary
Glendale, Arizona (Zone 9b)
Region: Arizona Enjoys or suffers hot summers Seed Starter Roses Plumerias Morning Glories
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Observation and question....seems that the plumeria stenophylla seedlings are more sensitive to change in moisture. Is this "normal" for this particular type? All of my seedlings are under the lights and on heat mats right where I see them many times a day and these are the only ones that might look a little droopy when they want water. Confused they are growing fine.
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Feb 13, 2016 2:50 PM CST
Name: Gerald
Jacksonville, Florida (Zone 9a)
Plumerias
Dutchlady1 said:If they have the mesh around the plugs - I usually remove that before planting out.


No mesh on rapid rooters. Makes it much simpler. I also don't have to worry about damaging roots of using regular soil when potting up.
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Feb 13, 2016 3:22 PM CST
Name: David Laderoute
Zone 5B/6 - NW MO (Zone 5b)
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Bradfish83 said:I think I like the rapid rooter plugs. Very easy to check root development. Easy to use with no mess and once ready to pot, just stick the seedling with the plug into the soil.

This one was planted about 3 weeks ago.

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It really is interesting to see the different results people have with different methods. For example, I have tried a couple different types of the rapid rooter type plugs in addition to rockwool. In all cases I tried several different types of seeds.

My net result was FAIL. Even those that make it to a seedling simply do not work well for me once planted out.

I also have not been happy with several brands of expandable grow plugs made with several different types of media. Some of these had the mesh around them, some did not. I have never been happy with these either, though others swear by them.

Finally, I have also tried many of the compressed "peat" pots though many types were made from other material than peat. I have never been happy with them either. For these, I have always encountered problems with wicking - whether at the seed germination stage or the planting out stage. WRT the latter, yes I tried the tricks of ripping off the bottoms, the top rim and so on.

Perhaps I do not hold my mouth right. Blinking nodding Doanno...

What I do know is that I have grown many tens of thousands of seed of thousands of different species. For ME, what I always fall back on is starting seeds in seed starting media in stand seed trays - mostly 72 cell. Though I do germinate many on wet paper towels in plastic bags. Even there, it only works for me sporadically. Yes - I always have added heat - either from heat mats or on top my hot water heater.

I do not begrudge any other method that words for others. nodding
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Feb 13, 2016 4:59 PM CST
Name: Gerald
Jacksonville, Florida (Zone 9a)
Plumerias
@DavidLMO
Everyone has a different way of doing it. I like the rapid rooters for the reasons I mentioned above, but just started using them. Previous attempts were using regular soil in 72 pod seed trays like you prefer, but I did not have great results. Likely that was due to poor seed quality. Right now I have 47 seeds in rapid rooters from Amazon (poor quality from past experience) and 6 have germinated in 2 weeks. Angry Grumbling

I have 40 also in rapid rooters from BB&B and after about 10 days, about half are germinated.

My next attempt will likely be seeds from BB&B, half in seedling soil and half in rapid rooters all under the same humidity dome so I can get more scientific results.
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Feb 14, 2016 11:41 PM CST
Name: David Laderoute
Zone 5B/6 - NW MO (Zone 5b)
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Bradfish83 said:

My next attempt will likely be seeds from BB&B, half in seedling soil and half in rapid rooters all under the same humidity dome so I can get more scientific results.


Good experiment. Tell us the results.

These are all Plumeria?
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Feb 15, 2016 12:42 PM CST
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Name: Mary
Glendale, Arizona (Zone 9b)
Region: Arizona Enjoys or suffers hot summers Seed Starter Roses Plumerias Morning Glories
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Right now I am favoring Jiffy peat pellets or Hoffman's seed starter 2 ways...either straight out of the bag or mixed with perlite for plumeria seeds. I also used Root Riot plugs. It took my seeds longer to germinate in those plugs than the other methods. They are sponge like and it is almost like they held the seed too tightly Confused all of the seeds have sprouted and the seedlings look good now. I'm thinking that maybe this particular brand of plug might be more appropriate for small cuttings. My 2 cents worth!!

On a side note, my honey dew melon seeds I saved from last summer, have sprouted under the lights! Hurray!
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Feb 16, 2016 7:20 PM CST
Name: Gerald
Jacksonville, Florida (Zone 9a)
Plumerias
Yes @DavidLMO, all plumeria.
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Feb 18, 2016 2:53 PM CST
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Name: Mary
Glendale, Arizona (Zone 9b)
Region: Arizona Enjoys or suffers hot summers Seed Starter Roses Plumerias Morning Glories
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Vera Cruz Rose seedlings...planted 1/8/16 on heat mat and under lights. Potted them up today 2/18/16. They had outgrown their baby pots. It is overcast today and a high of 80, so I thought it was a good day to do it. Used about half perlite and half EB Stone cactus mix. First time using that brand. It has little stones in it about the size of a pinto bean. Will leave them outside until this evening and bring them back inside tonight. Supposed to be windy. The seedling on the left was a little droopy before I planted it.

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Feb 20, 2016 7:44 AM CST
Name: Gigi AdeniumPlumeria
Florida (Zone 9b)
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They look very healthy Mary Thumbs up
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