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sassafrass
Aug 11, 2011 6:19 PM CST
OK.. so while I was taking pictures of a Daylily bloom I happened to notice something looking a little odd with a stem from Double Sensation.
Are these bulbils that are growing a sign of something not quite right? they are only growing about 4 inches up the stem. Is it ok to snap them off of the stem & plant them?
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Moby
Aug 12, 2011 11:45 AM CST
They're perfectly normal for some lilies, and those are some eager little bulbils with their leaves already! You can let them fall or give them a little help by planting them shallowly.
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sassafrass
Aug 12, 2011 12:24 PM CST
Thanks Moby. This is the first time I've seen them on anything more than the tiger lilies around here. I think I'll give them a little nudge. Thanks again.
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Moby
Aug 12, 2011 12:31 PM CST
Any time. Smiling
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Name: Anthony Gloriosoides[ sure!]
Rosetta,Tasmania,Australia (Zone 7b)
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gwhizz
Aug 13, 2011 6:24 PM CST
Or, you can snap them off and try to smuggle them into Australia,where I would plant them for you,.,. Drooling Drooling Drooling [if only it was that easy]
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sassafrass
Aug 13, 2011 9:34 PM CST
lol.. anthony.. if I knew I could I sure would. what about seeds are you able to receive those?
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Rosetta,Tasmania,Australia (Zone 7b)
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gwhizz
Aug 14, 2011 2:48 AM CST
Yes,..,as long as they are marked correctly Sticking tongue out
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Aug 14, 2011 9:14 AM CST

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Define "marked correctly" Anthony. What all do you have to do to get them in to you?
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Name: Anthony Gloriosoides[ sure!]
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gwhizz
Aug 15, 2011 2:26 AM CST
Well ,trumpet/orienpet/ asiatic/ oriental,-doesnt go down well with the quarentine stooges,.They dont recognise those as species,.,.all lilium seed must be marked by genus and species[on the out side of the seed packet,.,.]Trumpet,ive been advised to mark as ,lilium Aureliense or Auratum,.,.Asiatic as,lilium Cerrnum,.,.orienpets/ orientals as lilium auratum,but as long as they are marked as a background cross species,Quarentine is happy ,..,[so am i],..,they siezed some of Buggys trumpets,..,[what a loss]
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sassafrass
Aug 15, 2011 8:43 AM CST
so shipping bulbs is a no? and shipping seeds is a yes as long as the descriptions above are used? just wanna make sure I have the information correct, so please correct me if I am wrong.

Buggy's seeds would be a terrible loss.
Name: Anthony Gloriosoides[ sure!]
Rosetta,Tasmania,Australia (Zone 7b)
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gwhizz
Aug 15, 2011 9:02 PM CST
If i were to import,say 200 bulbs[the same], firstly, would be the initial cost,.,.say$150,.,.secondly i would have to receive those bulbs from a registered nursery,[who would send them to me with the relevent paperwork]$100,.Then they would arrive and be checked by quarentine$150,..,then they would be planted in pots [by me] at a registered quarentine nursery,[either private or govt]$200-$400,held for a period long enough to show good clean growth[undiseased],-then finally released to me,.,.Yahoo Grumbling Grumbling ,.,Advantages-im the only person in Australia with these liliums,..,i can sell some at $10-$15 each potted and recoup import costs,-keep and breed from some and wait a few years for them to multiply,by which time,,other people have grown them from seed and flooded the market Thumbs down Confused ,.,..,But yes i can import seed amounts,up to 2lb,as long as the seed import procedures are followed,..,I do have 'seed import approval' granted to me by quarentine tasmania,.,. Thumbs up
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sassafrass
Aug 15, 2011 9:22 PM CST
Anthony... wow, that is alot of money to burn on lily bulbs, but I'm only a backyard gardener, just in it for the beauty. Sounds like seeds would be the way to go. Whistling
Name: Anthony Gloriosoides[ sure!]
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gwhizz
Aug 16, 2011 2:42 AM CST
Seeds it is Thumbs up im having a lot of joy from seeds, and i think i'll keep it that way,.,.some of my 1st martagons[of various breeds], are coming up this year, and im really happy,.,.add to that ,many species,tangos and trumpets ..
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sassafrass
Aug 16, 2011 9:21 AM CST
well I for one can't wait to see the pictures you'll share!! perhaps if I get some seeds off of mine I might be able to smuggle ya some more.. lol
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Leftwood
Aug 16, 2011 6:39 PM CST
gwhizz said:- [I could] keep and breed from some and wait a few years for them to multiply,by which time,,other people have grown them from seed and flooded the market Thumbs down


A point that confuses me in many of your posts, Anthony. Grown from seed, these new hybrids should not be called the same name as the original parent, unless they are a strain. All of the tango's (and in fact most new lily hybrids), for instance, cannot be strains because there is such a large and varied mix of hybridized genes. Therefore their progeny will not be uniform. This certainly doesn't make them any less beautiful, but growing from seed and still claiming the name integrity of the original cultivar name cannot be condoned!

So is this just the way it is done down there? What is your lily society's view on the subject?

Name: Anthony Gloriosoides[ sure!]
Rosetta,Tasmania,Australia (Zone 7b)
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gwhizz
Aug 17, 2011 2:55 AM CST
No lily society here,just little 'breakaway' groups,[and remember, i am in a state,separated from mainland states by 300 miles of water],.,..,.Just a generalisation Rick,regarding seeds,.,for instance,Latvia,bred with Latvia, must create Latvia seed,[as georgiavines has been selling for many years]..,If i have imported for instance,100 Buggys 'Awesome' bulbs and 3 years down the track,somebody else here is selling 'Awesome',grown from import seed [as i am] then, thats my point,. another honest point is that i dont know everything about breeding liliums, and probably never will..but i will continue learning
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Name: Rick R.
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Leftwood
Aug 17, 2011 4:58 PM CST
What is the Northern Tasmanian Lilium Society?

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The parentage of Latvia:
('Connecticut King' x ('Lime Ice' x unnamed seedling)) x 'Tango Nocturno'

Uniform sexually propagated progeny is incredibly unlikely. I suspect then, that the seed is apomictic, and not produced by the random dividing and reuniting of genes that occurs in sexual reproduction. Rather, the "seed" is actually a copy of the mother's genes, and not a remix of the mother's and father's genes, which is sexual reproduction.

Would you mind if I put this question to the Yahoo Lilium group? I would never mention anyone by name. I looked at Georgia Vine's web site, and didn't find any relevant info. Any help here?
Name: Anthony Gloriosoides[ sure!]
Rosetta,Tasmania,Australia (Zone 7b)
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gwhizz
Aug 17, 2011 10:24 PM CST
A society within itself! ,who i have met 3 members,who come to our show 170 miles away[subject closed].Hmm-ok,since you put the seed breeding on the mat,thank you,my thoughts were completely wrong,..,still learning[even today]
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Name: Anthony Gloriosoides[ sure!]
Rosetta,Tasmania,Australia (Zone 7b)
idont havemuch-but ihave everything
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gwhizz
Aug 18, 2011 2:21 AM CST
On a lighter note, the 'Amelita xSuper Tsing' - you sent, feb 2009, are up,.,.not sure how many yet,[ my sight is getting worse]i need to dig my way back into there,and maybe tidy the box up for a closer look,.,.theres another seed 'seperated ' in there as well,,.i couldnt make out the name,.time will tell
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Name: Rick R.
near Minneapolis, MN zone 4a
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Leftwood
Aug 18, 2011 7:07 PM CST
Hah! None of us ever stop learning! And anyone who does, is a Know-it-all Rolling my eyes. . I don't every want to be labeled that Big Grin .

I was very surprised at how little actual germination took place from my Amelita x Super Tsing cross. I had so many, many seeds that looked very good and viable, but only have six or so seedlings. I hope you fair better than me!

(Pencils and paint pens are still the most durable writing utensils for me.)

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