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Dec 5, 2015 6:31 AM CST
Name: Ken Ramsey
Vero Beach, FL (Zone 10a)
Bromeliad Vegetable Grower Region: United States of America Tropicals Plumerias Orchids
Region: Mississippi Master Gardener: Mississippi Hummingbirder Cat Lover Composter Seller of Garden Stuff
I am sorry, David, I don't know. I have had these HO fixtures for over a year and purchased the T-5 fixtures five years ago. You'll just have to Google to find that answer. I do know it is not an insignificant difference, but when one needs exceptional light..........well, you just have to bite the bullet.
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Dec 5, 2015 11:08 AM CST
Name: David Laderoute
Zone 5B/6 - NW MO (Zone 5b)
Ignoring Zones altogether
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There is a big price difference between the reg and HO bulbs? I presume you buy some of each periodically?
Yeah I know - JFGI - google it nodding nodding
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Dec 5, 2015 11:20 AM CST
Name: Ken Ramsey
Vero Beach, FL (Zone 10a)
Bromeliad Vegetable Grower Region: United States of America Tropicals Plumerias Orchids
Region: Mississippi Master Gardener: Mississippi Hummingbirder Cat Lover Composter Seller of Garden Stuff
I no longer use the standard T-5 fixtures. I switched over completely last fall. I haven't replaced a single tube in the last 14 mo. and I don't see any reduction in light output so far. I did go ahead a purchase a mixed case of those HO tubes when I purchased all those fixtures, 2/3 6500K and 1/3 4000K. I got a price-break and free shipping.

I like that JFGI. Whistling Rolling on the floor laughing Rolling my eyes.
drdawg (Dr. Kenneth Ramsey)

The reason it's so hard to lose weight when you get up in age is because your body and your fat have become good friends.
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Dec 13, 2015 10:11 AM CST
Name: Ken Ramsey
Vero Beach, FL (Zone 10a)
Bromeliad Vegetable Grower Region: United States of America Tropicals Plumerias Orchids
Region: Mississippi Master Gardener: Mississippi Hummingbirder Cat Lover Composter Seller of Garden Stuff
I know this picture won't be of much value since I can't compare the lighting with that of T-12, T-8, or T-5, but it will perhaps give you some idea of the brightness that T-5HO fixtures produce. You are seeing the light transmitted not only through polycarbonate but also 16 mil solar blanket material. Also, in the greenhouse on the left, the right side is illuminated by T-5 fixtures and the left side is illuminated by T-5HO fixtures, two fixtures on each side. My more light sensitive plants are positioned under those T-5 fixtures.

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drdawg (Dr. Kenneth Ramsey)

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Dec 13, 2015 10:15 AM CST
Name: David Laderoute
Zone 5B/6 - NW MO (Zone 5b)
Ignoring Zones altogether
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I see no light on the right - I guess my poor eyesight.
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Dec 13, 2015 10:19 AM CST
Name: Ken Ramsey
Vero Beach, FL (Zone 10a)
Bromeliad Vegetable Grower Region: United States of America Tropicals Plumerias Orchids
Region: Mississippi Master Gardener: Mississippi Hummingbirder Cat Lover Composter Seller of Garden Stuff
Click on the picture, David. You need to always do this for the best view. Thumbs up
drdawg (Dr. Kenneth Ramsey)

The reason it's so hard to lose weight when you get up in age is because your body and your fat have become good friends.
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Dec 13, 2015 10:26 AM CST
Name: David Laderoute
Zone 5B/6 - NW MO (Zone 5b)
Ignoring Zones altogether
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OIC. DUH *Blush* *Blush* Thank You!

And now I DO C.

Rolling on the floor laughing

Sometimes I truly amaze myself as to how silly and/or ignorant (dare I say stoopid?) I am.
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Dec 13, 2015 10:32 AM CST
Name: Ken Ramsey
Vero Beach, FL (Zone 10a)
Bromeliad Vegetable Grower Region: United States of America Tropicals Plumerias Orchids
Region: Mississippi Master Gardener: Mississippi Hummingbirder Cat Lover Composter Seller of Garden Stuff
That's the way we all learn, David. I just know I must have had a "dumb/stupid" moment in my 72 years. Whistling

What do you think of the lighting?
drdawg (Dr. Kenneth Ramsey)

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Dec 13, 2015 10:41 AM CST
Name: David Laderoute
Zone 5B/6 - NW MO (Zone 5b)
Ignoring Zones altogether
Seed Starter Avid Green Pages Reviewer Garden Ideas: Level 1
drdawg said:That's the way we all learn, David. I just know I must have had a "dumb/stupid" moment in my 72 years. Whistling

What do you think of the lighting?


Well - I think the proof is in the pudding .... err ... Pic.

Quite impressive. I jave looked around locally and no one has HO fixtures,
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Dec 13, 2015 11:11 AM CST
Name: Ken Ramsey
Vero Beach, FL (Zone 10a)
Bromeliad Vegetable Grower Region: United States of America Tropicals Plumerias Orchids
Region: Mississippi Master Gardener: Mississippi Hummingbirder Cat Lover Composter Seller of Garden Stuff
I had to order mine online and since I wanted two specific spectrums to use, had to order those online also.
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Dec 13, 2015 11:13 AM CST
Name: David Laderoute
Zone 5B/6 - NW MO (Zone 5b)
Ignoring Zones altogether
Seed Starter Avid Green Pages Reviewer Garden Ideas: Level 1
Thumbs up
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Dec 13, 2015 11:58 AM CST
Thread OP
Name: Sue Petruske
Wisconsin (Zone 5a)
Wow Ken, that's quite the set up. NICE ! ! !
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Dec 13, 2015 12:24 PM CST
Name: Ken Ramsey
Vero Beach, FL (Zone 10a)
Bromeliad Vegetable Grower Region: United States of America Tropicals Plumerias Orchids
Region: Mississippi Master Gardener: Mississippi Hummingbirder Cat Lover Composter Seller of Garden Stuff
I tip my hat to you. Sue

The greenhouse on the right is my "Orchid" greenhouse and the one on the left is my "Everything Else" greenhouse. Half of that everything else one is half filled with orchids though. My passion is orchids but I just love to grow all sorts of tropical plants. Check out my website and you'll see. Whistling
drdawg (Dr. Kenneth Ramsey)

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Dec 13, 2015 6:07 PM CST
Thread OP
Name: Sue Petruske
Wisconsin (Zone 5a)
You have VERY beautiful orchids. My favorite is Emerald Isle. Just lovely ! ! !
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Dec 13, 2015 6:15 PM CST
Name: Ken Ramsey
Vero Beach, FL (Zone 10a)
Bromeliad Vegetable Grower Region: United States of America Tropicals Plumerias Orchids
Region: Mississippi Master Gardener: Mississippi Hummingbirder Cat Lover Composter Seller of Garden Stuff
Thank you, Sue. Everyone loves the Emerald Isle.
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Dec 14, 2015 12:18 PM CST
Name: Rick Corey
Everett WA 98204 (Zone 8a)
Sunset Zone 5. Koppen Csb. Eco 2f
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Nice photo, Ken!

My first thought was the movie "Saving Grace", where her greenhouse was so bright you could see it from space. My second thought was "Area 51!"

I hope T5s keep coming down in price.
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Dec 14, 2015 12:58 PM CST
Name: Ken Ramsey
Vero Beach, FL (Zone 10a)
Bromeliad Vegetable Grower Region: United States of America Tropicals Plumerias Orchids
Region: Mississippi Master Gardener: Mississippi Hummingbirder Cat Lover Composter Seller of Garden Stuff
I tip my hat to you.
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The reason it's so hard to lose weight when you get up in age is because your body and your fat have become good friends.
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Jan 27, 2016 10:08 PM CST
Wyoming (Zone 4a)
I purchased from Walmart 2, 4ft flourescent shoplights and outfitted them with 2 wide spectrum grow light on each. I raise both irises and Daylilies from seeds. The lights are hanging over 2 shelves mounted on my office wall. I have used the same outfit for 4 years and the tubes are still good. When the edges of the tubes begins to darken, it is time to replace them. I use a timer of for 16 hours/day.

Here is some info that I came across.

ABOUT LIGHTS
All fluorescents are not the same. Grow lights are made up of wavelengths within the red, orange, yellow, green, blue, green, and yellow of the spectrum that are suitable for plant growth that incandescent bulbs don't have. Plant lights are made to resemble full sun very closely and contain the wavelength in colors that plants need to grow. I don't want to get too technical so the above info is a short explanation.
The watt is usually related to the length of the fluorescent bulb. A 48" long tube will produce more light than a 24" one. The only information you need about a fluorescent light tube is that it is a grow light in whatever length you want.

You actually need 2 grow tubes placed side by side with 2-3" from each other in whatever lengths you choose. The reason is that there is a light fall off along the sides of the lights that is not strong enough to support plant growth. The strongest light is in the center. Place your sun loving varieties there and shade lovers more on the outer side. You can increase light at the edges by placing a large, white paper mat or board held up along the edges to reflect the fall off light back on to the plants.

HOW CLOSE? HERE IS A GUIDE:
This guide is suitable for plant lights, not for incandescent light. Measured from the top leaf.
Annuals, perennials, herbs, and vegetables---3-6" from the light
Geraniums---4-6"
Begonias---6-8"
Cactus and succulents---3-6"
Impatiense---5-7"
Observe your plants, if not enough light the plant will stretch upwards. Move them closer.

HOW LONG
Use a timer, cheap in Wal-Mart. When seeds have sprouted, they need 12 to 16 hours of light for flowering plants. 12-14 hours for foliage plants. The light should be on at the same time every day, thus a timer is useful incase you forget.

It is not worth it to skimp on pennies regarding grow lights when you are raising plants from seed.

AIR CIRCULATION
Very important to prevent damping off (rotting) of seeds and fungus. Also to bring carbon dioxide that the plants need for photosynthesis during the day and fresh oxygen which they need to breathe during day and night. You need mild air movement, without a cold draft. A small fan set on low will work.

TEMPERATURE
Once the seeds germinate, it is best to grow plants between 65-70 degrees for sturdy seedling. More beneficial is to have a lower temperature when the lights are out at night.

Below are my 2 shelves. Photos are mine.

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Jan 27, 2016 11:37 PM CST
Name: David Laderoute
Zone 5B/6 - NW MO (Zone 5b)
Ignoring Zones altogether
Seed Starter Avid Green Pages Reviewer Garden Ideas: Level 1
Nice stup Pipi.

My first Daylily seed germinated yesterday Thumbs up . Hooray.
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Jan 28, 2016 12:53 AM CST
Thread OP
Name: Sue Petruske
Wisconsin (Zone 5a)
Thank you for all the great info Pippi!! I actually have everything set up already and lots of (daylily) seeds are sprouting (some have three leaves so far). But I have a couple questions:

I do have my lights on a timer. I have it set for 12 hours. Starting at 6 pm to 6 am. They are by a patio window so they get the sunlight during the day. Which means they don't get any "dark" time is that okay or is that a bad thing to do? The temperature is about 68 during the day when the lights are not on and 70-72 at night when the lights are on. Should I change the lighting time to 4pm to 4am, giving them a few hours of darkness (and a cooling down period)?

Second question: How long do I need to keep a fan going. I've been doing it about 30-45 minutes twice a day.

BTW, I like the set up that you have with wall shelves. I've always visualized plants on free-standing shelving units but stationary wall shelves is a great idea.

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