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Name: Donald
Eastland county, Texas (Zone 8a)
Region: Texas Enjoys or suffers hot summers Raises cows Plant Identifier
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needrain
Jan 3, 2016 7:06 PM CST
Decades ago, when I was in the 2nd or 3rd grade and some classmates had those super duper sized box of crayolas and generously let me color with them at times, there was a color called 'Federal Gold' - if I'm remembering correctly. It's about the same color as gold braid for a graduation tassle or on military uniforms. It's not really yellow and it's not really orange. I'm looking for a daylily that color. A spider or UF and preferably without a face. I think the older 'Jersey Spider' might be close if looking at photos is good enough. Any suggestions?
Donald
Name: Dnd
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DogsNDaylilies
Jan 4, 2016 6:03 AM CST
Condilla
Lynchburg Mustang
Stella d'oro

(...keeping in mind that sun and other factors can change the color of a bloom somewhat)
Name: Cynthia (Cindy)
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Hemlady
Jan 4, 2016 6:38 AM CST
My friend who got me into daylilies calls that color school bus yellow. My HIGHLAND TOWER is that color.


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Name: Donald
Eastland county, Texas (Zone 8a)
Region: Texas Enjoys or suffers hot summers Raises cows Plant Identifier
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needrain
Jan 4, 2016 11:20 AM CST
Hemlady said:My friend who got me into daylilies calls that color school bus yellow. My HIGHLAND TOWER is that color.


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I like this one Cindy, but it doesn't look school bus yellow in the photos I've found on the net. You registered it as "lemon yellow self with apple green throat" from the AHS page (no photo there). However, there's nothing like having first hand knowledge! Smiling Some of the net photos make it look like it has a whitish midrib at times?

You know I still want DOWNRIVER BUTTERFLY, but you didn't offer it on your downsizing clearance. I was watching Big Grin . I'm a bit hesitant to get very many new ones at the moment. I'm seeing deer tracks right up to the house for one thing. For another, the big containers tend to be expensive and I want to see how well those work over time with the plants I'm currently growing. I lost the first daylily toward the end of summer. Crown rot, I'm sure, and I'm not sure why or how to mitigate the circumstances where it might occur again. It was a plant that did well the year before and started out in the spring looking good, but didn't continue looking good by bloom season. I don't have enough experience to recognize the onset. But I'm still likely to add a couple from time to time and maybe clear out some that don't do well after being given the chance for a few seasons. Or that croak for some reason. The deer may put an end to the attempt if they continue hanging out too close.
Donald
Name: Donald
Eastland county, Texas (Zone 8a)
Region: Texas Enjoys or suffers hot summers Raises cows Plant Identifier
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needrain
Jan 4, 2016 11:23 AM CST
DogsNDaylilies said:Condilla
Lynchburg Mustang
Stella d'oro

(...keeping in mind that sun and other factors can change the color of a bloom somewhat)


Thanks! Lynchburg Mustang is along the lines of what I'm searching for. Or even skinnier if there is one. I'm starting a list of the possibles.
Donald
Name: Stan
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GaNinFl
Jan 4, 2016 11:29 AM CST
How about Golden Prize...


Also, I just went to the crayloa site and searched for gold...found some wonderful colors there. Maybe go and compare... Shrug!
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Name: Dnd
SE Michigan (Zone 6a)
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DogsNDaylilies
Jan 4, 2016 11:46 AM CST
GaNinFl said:How about Golden Prize...


Also, I just went to the crayloa site and searched for gold...found some wonderful colors there. Maybe go and compare... Shrug!


ooh, I just got Golden Prize late this past summer and I'm excited to see it bloom! Thanks for the picture, it makes me anticipate spring all that much more. Lovey dubby
Name: Dnd
SE Michigan (Zone 6a)
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DogsNDaylilies
Jan 4, 2016 11:47 AM CST
needrain said:

Thanks! Lynchburg Mustang is along the lines of what I'm searching for. Or even skinnier if there is one. I'm starting a list of the possibles.


Absolutely! If you like spider daylilies, there's a whole slew of yellow spiders...the trick is finding the right, rich yellow tone that you're looking for. I'll do a quick search and see if I come up with anything for you.
Name: Dnd
SE Michigan (Zone 6a)
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DogsNDaylilies
Jan 4, 2016 11:57 AM CST
Here are a few:

- this is probably a little light for you, but you might get lucky seeing if someone has seeds from a cross of this and another yellow spider daylily

http://northernlightsdaylilies.com/NDSUHistoric/var/thumbs/G... (Picture of Gary Bee...not a spider, but it's the right color you like)



Name: Rob Laffin
Mariaville, Maine (Zone 4b)
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RobLaffin
Jan 4, 2016 6:06 PM CST
Here's a few:
Golden Plover:



Adeline Goldner:

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Jersey Spider kid (I have many):

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A quick hint re: deer. If you have dogs, feed them real meat (I generally feed mine chicken thighs with rice) for a while, then put the poop around where you don't want deer. Deer are instinctively afraid of carnivore poop and will beat a hasty retreat. You don't have to do this very long before they X you off their map and avoid your property altogether even after you stop with the poop. My garden is in a clearing in the middle of the woods where there are lots of deer and I do the poop thing a few times in the spring and again in the fall and have zero deer problems.

Name: Donald
Eastland county, Texas (Zone 8a)
Region: Texas Enjoys or suffers hot summers Raises cows Plant Identifier
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needrain
Jan 4, 2016 7:08 PM CST
DogsNDaylilies said:
http://northernlightsdaylilies.com/NDSUHistoric/var/thumbs/G... (Picture of Gary Bee...not a spider, but it's the right color you like)



GARY BEE looks to be the right color. No photo in the ATP database, though. It and MICO will make the list. Thanks. ASIATIC PHEASANT has caught my attention a number of times and then I can never remember why it's not on the wish list and have to look it up. That happens a lot. I can't tell you how many times I've checked out KERMIT'S SCREAM. Height. Too short. NUTMEG ELF for the same reason.

Odd that there's another thread going that seems to mention two that look right. I guess I'll put VULCAN FUEGO and BURNING DAYLIGHT on the list. Smiling They don't have to be a true spider or official UF. The open forms work for me. No point in listing the round, fatter blooms since if there's a skinnier alternative they'd be 2nd choice. Smiling I like them, but for now prefer a looser, less formal presentation.

Donald
Name: Donald
Eastland county, Texas (Zone 8a)
Region: Texas Enjoys or suffers hot summers Raises cows Plant Identifier
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needrain
Jan 4, 2016 7:23 PM CST
RobLaffin said:Here's a few:
Golden Plover:



Adeline Goldner:

Thumb of 2016-01-04/RobLaffin/631ae3

Jersey Spider kid (I have many):

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A quick hint re: deer. If you have dogs, feed them real meat (I generally feed mine chicken thighs with rice) for a while, then put the poop around where you don't want deer. Deer are instinctively afraid of carnivore poop and will beat a hasty retreat. You don't have to do this very long before they X you off their map and avoid your property altogether even after you stop with the poop. My garden is in a clearing in the middle of the woods where there are lots of deer and I do the poop thing a few times in the spring and again in the fall and have zero deer problems.



These all work. Any chance you could put the photo of GOLDEN PLOVER in the database? There isn't one there currently. The seedling looks to be just about the perfect color, but without being registered, I don't know how I could keep up with it on the list of possibilities. How tall is it?

That's a great tip on the deer. I have a dog who is making his deposits outside the yard parameter. An advantage to living in the country. Sadly he's finicky and not a hearty chow hound. I honestly don't know where he comes up with his boundless energy without more of an appetite. He has springs for leg bones and he never seems to tire. Maybe, though, I just need to adjust his diet a bit and see if the deer stay further afield. It's just the last couple of weeks that I've seen their tracks so close. All they've damaged so far was a Sempervivum.

Donald
Name: Dnd
SE Michigan (Zone 6a)
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DogsNDaylilies
Jan 4, 2016 8:13 PM CST
@RobLaffin - Jersey Spider...yes! I'm glad you mentioned that, it's a good one I've come across a lot. I really like its form.
Name: Rob Laffin
Mariaville, Maine (Zone 4b)
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RobLaffin
Jan 4, 2016 8:48 PM CST
Hi Donald,
Yes, I'll put Golden Plover on the database. I've never done it, but I think I can figure it out. Wish I had a better pic, because though it's just a gold self, it's a really pretty flower.

The seedling is one of quite a number I have out of Jersey Spider. JS, at least at the time I started hybridizing, was considered one of the few reliable rebloomers in the north, so I did a bunch of crosses with it, some with less hardy, but nice, cascades like Dances With Giraffes and Ice Quake. This cross is x H. Hakuunensis. Out of all the kids from that cross, this was the nicest gold. It's about 54" tall with a nearly 8" bloom. This past summer was the first bloom season, so I don't know about branching and bud count yet. If it pans out, I will eventually introduce it.

Re: dogs and deer - as a person who's always had lots of dogs (I currently have 8) who's been through all sorts of feeding regimens, I can tell you I've never seen a dog be finicky when offered real meat (people quality). Just tonight my dogs had a great treat - there was a 5 lb pork roast on sale for 89 cents a pound. Real deal. They go APE for pork roast! You have their FULL ATTENTION when making their dinner, I promise. I usually do rice and chicken thighs because thighs are often on sale for under $1 a pound, and believe it or not, this makes feeding the dogs real food cheaper than a high quality kibble - something you really notice when you have 8 to feed. I boil thighs in water until the meat and cartilage easily pulls off the bone (I put a clove of garlic in the water, too). Then I use the water they cooked in to make the rice. So nothing but the bone goes to waste. I think it's important they have real meat in order for their poop to deter deer. What they often put in dog food is "dead, down, diseased" meat that can't be sold to humans, and they cook it at 2000 degrees to kill pathogens, so I don't know if after all that, the deer would recognize it.

Dogs'n'Daylilies: I'm with you! Despite having hundreds of newer, fancier-faced daylilies in my garden that can be interesting and exciting, I still always love my Jersey Spiders when they bloom. Such a nice rich color, and a graceful flower form. There's always a place in my garden for the great oldies, and JS is definitely one.
Name: Dnd
SE Michigan (Zone 6a)
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DogsNDaylilies
Jan 4, 2016 9:39 PM CST
Rob, I missed the 'kid' part in your text above the pictures. Kudos on creating such a BEAUTIFUL seedling. That bloom is immaculate. ...rich color, perfect form, and large, to boot! I'm not one for tall daylilies, but I would probably make an exception for that one. It's a pity my gardens are overbooked as it is. Sad
Name: Donald
Eastland county, Texas (Zone 8a)
Region: Texas Enjoys or suffers hot summers Raises cows Plant Identifier
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needrain
Jan 4, 2016 9:49 PM CST
@RobLaffin I've had Jersey Spider itself on the wish list, but never have acquired it. That seedling looks really nice. Have you bloomed any of the seedlings using it with Dances With Giraffes and Ice Quake? I love to see the results of the crosses that people post here.

I dunno. I had about 2 oz of sirloin this week that I cut up bite sized for the dog. He took each bite I offered and very carefully laid them down. In the end they were all piled up at his feet. I then picked one up and gave it to him. That one he ate. I just left him with the rest and when I came back in a while they were gone. But that was in the garage and he may have taken them outside and buried them. He does that a lot with special treats - soup bones, chew bones, meat scraps. I found a stash buried in a daylily container today. That's not good. I noticed because I could see where the pot had a hole dug. I'm sure the roots on that side got damaged. The stash was about 10" deep.
Donald
Name: Donald
Eastland county, Texas (Zone 8a)
Region: Texas Enjoys or suffers hot summers Raises cows Plant Identifier
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needrain
Jan 4, 2016 10:07 PM CST
Besides Jersey Spider, I have two others on the wish list that looked like they might be the right color. Has anyone seen them growing to know? As Glen has pointed out, yellow can be a hard color to photograph. I have to work from photos and descriptions. There seem to be a lot of what I call 'standard' blooms that look like they are the right color, but I don't stumble across so many spiders, UFs or open blooms. With help here, there are now 5 more possibles to consider. Half diploids and half tetraploids; all but two are listed as dormants. I can't tell yet here whether that makes any difference. The others I've found previously:
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Name: Rob Laffin
Mariaville, Maine (Zone 4b)
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RobLaffin
Jan 4, 2016 11:51 PM CST
needrain said:@RobLaffin I've had Jersey Spider itself on the wish list, but never have acquired it. That seedling looks really nice. Have you bloomed any of the seedlings using it with Dances With Giraffes and Ice Quake? I love to see the results of the crosses that people post here.


Here's one Jersey Spider x Dances With Giraffes, very large flower:

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Jersey Spider x Ice Quake - this one will likely be an intro - already it has shown good plant habit:

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As far as your dog is concerned, I think you have a special case there! Sounds like he has a mind of his own. Must be a character. lol

Here's another Jersey Spider x Dances With Giraffes:

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Name: Rob Laffin
Mariaville, Maine (Zone 4b)
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RobLaffin
Jan 5, 2016 12:07 AM CST
@DogNDaylilies: Thanks very much. And I know all about the overbooked garden thing!
Name: Donald
Eastland county, Texas (Zone 8a)
Region: Texas Enjoys or suffers hot summers Raises cows Plant Identifier
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needrain
Jan 5, 2016 6:56 AM CST
@RobLaffin those seedling blooms ALL appeal to me, but especially the three golden yellow ones. They must light up their spot when they are blooming.

They sent me to the database to check out other descendants from Jersey Spider. Don't know why I didn't think to do that sooner. Looks like there are 2-3 more I could add to the list of possibilities. At some point then I'll acquire one or two if I can locate them and see. In the meantime it's nice to have some choices to dream about! I don't usually have a lot of interest in the names, but there's one introduction from Clement called Pray For Rain. I might need that one :).


Edit: in the ATP database Pray For Rain is listed as 'diploid tetraploid'. AHS lists it only as 'diploid'. Is this a case where the ATP database needs a correction?
Donald
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