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sassafrass
Aug 29, 2011 10:57 PM CST
Ideas for trees I do need, PLEASE.

I had a really nice shaded area & decided to start a shade garden. So the DH killed the grass about a week or 2 ago & this weekend he tilled it up. We put 4 wheelbarrow's full of old chicken pooo in there & mixed it real good. The next day I'm out just a trimming away on the tree trunks to make em all look nice before I get the plants in there, because I'm a clutz & would surely step on one. I found many of the trees to be rotting in the middles. One in particular had a slit up the side about 15 ft high, & of course we didnt figure it would make it through this yrs. winter. (There was a danger of it falling on my house) So we called the neighbor & he helped bring it down, although it really did not need much help, & it also took out another one besides it. So now I am on the hunt, for some more trees. We have 5 more of those same kinds right up close to the house, with 3 for sure going to need removal in the next yr or 2 (hopefully it will last that long) I'd sure appreciate some suggestions.

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Name: Christine
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Christine27360
Aug 30, 2011 11:58 AM CST
Oh NO!!! I hate when that happens!

Okay well poplar trees are fast growing but more straight up -- Ash trees are also fairly fast.

Here's a few interesting links:
http://www.ehow.com/list_7490210_fastgrowing-hardy-trees.htm...
http://www.fast-growing-trees.com/ShadeTrees.htm?gclid=CJz35...
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sassafrass
Aug 30, 2011 2:07 PM CST
perfect .. thank you,

the ones that are rotting out are an ash tree, so maybe I'll try a few different ones... leaning towards Red Oak, Red Maple, Honeylocust & Paper Birch.
Thanks again.
Name: Christine
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Christine27360
Aug 30, 2011 3:51 PM CST
Any time -- we have some really tall Basswood trees in my front lawn and they go hollow in the middle too! We had a few go down over the past 10 years! Gotta get some replacements too!
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CherieCoogan
Aug 30, 2011 10:02 PM CST
All good choices but oaks are pretty slow growing. Quaking Aspens are pretty fast and from what I see of the blasted seedlings not real particulat about sun/shade issues............
Malus "Crabapples" are pretty hardy in most places ad they have wonderful disease and pest resistant cultivars...................Salt tolerant too if that would be an issue.......
Name: Rick R.
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Leftwood
Sep 15, 2011 11:31 PM CST
Another reason not to replace with green or white ash: the emerald ash borer is marching across the country from the east. It is on Minnesota's doorstep now, and the insect wipes out the species (except young saplings) wherever it goes.

Paper birch will be way to susceptible to the bronze birch borer, unless you live in a cooler area that has lots of natural soil moisture, like next to a lake or marsh. River birch ought to do better. Red maples like the same conditions, too, but are more adaptable. Honeylocust, Red oak, white oak, Bur oak are good choices. Serviceberries (the tree type, not the shrubby ones) have lots of good attributes. Also look at Amur chokecherry. It has the most beautiful bark, nice fall color, spring flowers, not too much fruit and fast growing, but it is relatively shortlived (30 years).


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Name: Sandy B.
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Weedwhacker
Oct 31, 2011 9:57 PM CST
I wouldn't do the aspen (or poplar, or "popple" as a lot of people call them where I live) - fast growing, yes, but very short lived, branches break off, etc. Made the mistake of planting a couple of "hybrid poplar" some years back and recently cut them down... One of the nicest trees I've planted from a seedling is a "Sunburst Locust." Slower growing, but I love the form and the leaves are tiny and easily mulched up or collected with the lawnmower. Definitely agree with Rick about the ash trees, what a bummer but they will probably go the way of the elm trees. Why not consider some fruit trees for a double-duty planting? I also like the river birch, we have some on our property and, while not white, they have very attractive bark.
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tabby
Nov 1, 2011 10:18 AM CST
I wouldn't go with any really fast growing tree because they tend to be soft and brittle and break in snow storms:

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I would never plant a silver maple (pictured above), polar, cottonwood or willow for that reason. The above tree came with the house and it drops branches every year. Cottonwoods and other poplar type trees seem to be good at eventually developing heart rot around here.

Oaks may be slow growing, but they are sturdy and don't easily break I love my Norway (hard) maple. Other hard maples, such as sugar maples are good too. Maples tend to spread their branches out more than the oaks do so provide more shade. Locusts are nice and open so they provide a more filtered shade.
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Nov 2, 2011 3:47 PM CST
Yep, what Tabby said -- and you could always make syrup from the maples, too! Smiling
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