Plant ID forum: Labeling spelling and hybrid ?

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Name: Leslieray Hurlburt
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HamiltonSquare
Mar 9, 2016 9:56 PM CST
Just looked this up and only find S. adolphi. One i no X. So I'm unclear if these are all talking about the same plant or if there is a hybrid at all. I see others have had this same question but no answer. oops The label reads. Sedum x adophii "Golden Sedum"
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pardalinum
Mar 9, 2016 10:33 PM CST
I also have this one and my label also spells it with a double i. This appears to be incorrect according to The Catalog of Life. Correct spelling is Sedum adolphi. Your sedum looks much like mine.
Name: Leslieray Hurlburt
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HamiltonSquare
Mar 10, 2016 12:33 AM CST
Right but what about the x? That indicates a hybrid so I was unsure of all of it. I don't know enough about sedum. I tip my hat to you.
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HamiltonSquare
Mar 10, 2016 12:36 AM CST
Right but what about the x? That indicates a hybrid so I was unsure of all of it. I don't know enough about sedum. There are some differences in what I see out there call "Golden Sedum" Were was yours from? I tip my hat to you.
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JRsbugs
Mar 10, 2016 6:48 AM CST
Sedum adolphii is the correct spelling on the plant list.

http://www.theplantlist.org/tpl1.1/record/tro-8900082

Where there is an 'X' it usually indicates a cross of that species, but the other parent isn't known for certain. Open pollination can produce surprise crosses, controlled pollination is the only way to know with certainty both pod and pollen parents.

There's lots of results with double 'i'

https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=Sedum+adolphii+&gws_rd=ssl

Google doesn't recognise the single 'i'

https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=Sedum+adolphii+&gws_rd=ssl...

Source for Sedum adolphi on catalogue of life:

Source database: World Plants, Nov 2015
Bibliographic citation: Hassler M. (2016).

http://www.catalogueoflife.org/col/details/species/id/8fedff...

When I search using "species 2000 sedum adolphi" I get results.

https://www.google.co.uk/?gws_rd=ssl#q=Species+2000+sedum+ad...

The Plant List reference is:

The record derives from Tropicos (data supplied on 2012-04-18) which reports it as an accepted name (record 8900082↗) with original publication details: Notizbl. Bot. Gart. Berlin-Dahlem 5: 277 1912.

A search for "sedum adolphi" on Species 2000, which is the reference for World Plants in Catalogue of Life, I get no results for either spelling but the site doesn't appear to be current.

http://www.catalogueoflife.org/col/details/species/id/8fedff...

http://www.sp2000.org/search/node/sedum%20adolphi

I tried searching on itis.gov, I'm getting a message "The specified URL cannot be found. "

By going to the link provided on the Plant List "Full publication details for this name can be found in IPNI" I get a full reference.

Crassulaceae Sedum adolphi Raym.-Hamet

Notizbl. Königl. Bot. Gart. Berlin 5: 277. 1912

Distribution:

Mexico (Northern America)

Links:

same citation as:Crassulaceae Sedum adolphi Raym.-Hamet Notizbl. Königl. Bot. Gart. Berlin 5: 277. 1912

Id: 231637-2 Version: 1.4 View Record history

View this record in TCS-RDF format


http://www.ipni.org/ipni/idPlantNameSearch.do?id=231637-2

By clicking on "view root history" I get:

root: Initial value made on 2004-01-20 00:00:00.0
• Barker: (A) Auto fix. changingRaym.-Hamet to Raym.-Hamet - Raymond-Hamet 1890-1972 made on 2005-10-27 08:53:39.0
• Barker: (A) refreshing stale lookup made on 2007-03-23 07:53:51.0
• Challis: (A) refreshing stale lookup made on 2009-02-26 08:54:58.0


Click on "View this record in TCS-RDF format"

Name

tn:rankString spec.
tn:nameComplete Sedum adolphi
tn:genusPart Sedum
tn:specificEpithet adolphi


It looks like the single 'i' wins.






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porkpal
Mar 10, 2016 7:37 AM CST
Wow, Janet, that's a thorough investigation!
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JRsbugs
Mar 10, 2016 9:03 AM CST
porkpal said:Wow, Janet, that's a thorough investigation!


A thorough investigation is the only way to eliminate errors and doubts. I'm surprised that The Plant List had got the spelling wrong, maybe they haven't got around to updating it yet. However, the link is on the site which gives the true source of the name on the International Plant Names Index. That appears to be as good as it gets, until someone comes up with an earlier source for the same species which would trump that one. First in time takes priority.



Name: Leslieray Hurlburt
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HamiltonSquare
Mar 10, 2016 10:21 AM CST
So this is not a hybrid? The misspelling, ii get that. It 's common. I'll ask Annie and see if they can shed some light. I tip my hat to you.
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Name: Janet Super Sleuth
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JRsbugs
Mar 10, 2016 11:11 AM CST
HamiltonSquare said:So this is not a hybrid? The misspelling, ii get that. It 's common. I'll ask Annie and see if they can shed some light. I tip my hat to you.


The X does suggest a hybrid, a straight species wouldn't have an X which simply means a cross with another species or hybrid cross.

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