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Mar 28, 2016 10:46 AM CST
Name: Bonnie Sojourner
Harris Brake Lake, Arkansas (Zone 7a)
Magnolia zone
Region: United States of America Region: Arkansas Master Gardener: Arkansas Irises Plant and/or Seed Trader Moon Gardener
Garden Ideas: Master Level Dragonflies Bulbs Garden Art Celebrating Gardening: 2015 Gardens in Buckets
I cant use a systemic. The bees are already working on the blossoms all around the house. Bumbles too so I cant kill them.
Thro' all the tumult and the strife I hear the music ringing; It finds an echo in my soul— How can I keep from singing?
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Mar 28, 2016 11:06 AM CST
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Name: Arlyn
Whiteside County, Illinois (Zone 5a)
Beekeeper Region: Illinois Irises Celebrating Gardening: 2015
Since bees....honey, mason,or bumble....are insects, ANY insecticide will hurt them! Here (and I have lots of bees, since we are "beekeepers") I seldom, if ever, see a bee on an iris blossom.....until late in the year, when the 'rebloomers" are blooming. The reason, I think, is there are so many OTHER blossoms that tempt the bees more in the spring . And, since I have my iris in beds, by themselves, with no other flowers, I feel pretty safe using insecticides (systemic or contact) on my iris, in the spring. Later, for the rebloomers, I use other methods.
I think the "key" to using any *garden chemical* (and this also applies to those "organic controls", that supposedly safe for pets and wildlife) is to only use what you NEED to use, follow ALL the directions, only use it at the 'proper time" to control what you are *targeting*, and THINK , and do your research , before you use them .
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Mar 28, 2016 11:09 AM CST
Name: Bonnie Sojourner
Harris Brake Lake, Arkansas (Zone 7a)
Magnolia zone
Region: United States of America Region: Arkansas Master Gardener: Arkansas Irises Plant and/or Seed Trader Moon Gardener
Garden Ideas: Master Level Dragonflies Bulbs Garden Art Celebrating Gardening: 2015 Gardens in Buckets
Bees here are out too early gathering pollen for use of a systemic. They work all the fruit blossoms, hollies, daffys, muscari, and irises.
Thro' all the tumult and the strife I hear the music ringing; It finds an echo in my soul— How can I keep from singing?
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Mar 28, 2016 12:37 PM CST
Name: Leslie
Durham, NC (Zone 8a)
Garden Photography Cat Lover Irises Region: North Carolina Peonies Enjoys or suffers hot summers
Celebrating Gardening: 2015
If he was locally grown how did he get to my brand new garden? Not that many people grow lots of iris around here, so I doubt the eggs were in the garden soil I had delivered. The moth would have had to flown in and laid eggs. Are the eggs so small they wouldn't be visable? I don't know that I have ever seen pictures of the eggs.

There has been no plant debris around my iris since they were planted. All fallen leaves and pine needles were raked out. Clean as a whistle, but still....
"The chimera is a one time happenstance event where the plant has a senior moment and forgets what it is doing." - Paul Black
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Mar 28, 2016 1:52 PM CST
(Zone 9b)
Region: California Garden Ideas: Level 1
Whistles aren't very clean, they are full of spit.

It's a nasty mystery how it got there Leslie. If you see another one, take some photos of it before you send it to meet its maker.
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Mar 28, 2016 6:25 PM CST
Name: Leslie
Durham, NC (Zone 8a)
Garden Photography Cat Lover Irises Region: North Carolina Peonies Enjoys or suffers hot summers
Celebrating Gardening: 2015
I certainly will. I was wondering why I only had half a flower and then was freakrd out by it being in there. Squash is a natural instinct.

Today I got to squish and fling about a hundred of those nasty little inchworms. The front yard with the banded oak trees is relatively worm free, but the backyard is another story. They love to hide along the edge of a fan leaf and pretend they are camouflaged enough that you don't see them. Ha! I am on to that game!
"The chimera is a one time happenstance event where the plant has a senior moment and forgets what it is doing." - Paul Black
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Mar 28, 2016 6:40 PM CST
Name: Greg Hodgkinson
Hanover PA (Zone 6b)
Garden Photography Charter ATP Member I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database! Irises Region: Japan Region: Pennsylvania
My "goners" list from this weekend.

Enchanted Memory
Gingeruffle
Brillant Disguise
Jazz Band
Heardit Thruda Grapevine
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Mar 28, 2016 6:49 PM CST
Name: Liz
East Dover, VT (Zone 5a)
Annuals Irises Lilies Region: Northeast US Organic Gardener Peonies
Lover of wildlife (Raccoon badge) Seed Starter Enjoys or suffers hot summers Vegetable Grower Lover of wildlife (Black bear badge) Hummingbirder
Oh no!!! Crying sorry to hear that Greg. I suppose I should list some of my goners too:

Happenstance
Aggressively Forward
Absolute Cute
Stellar Lights
Golden Panther (re-ordered)

There are at least 2 more, but I don't have them marked so I'm not sure yet what they are. I'll know based on what blooms around them.
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Mar 28, 2016 7:20 PM CST
South central PA (Zone 6a)
Irises Region: Pennsylvania
Leslie, that is not a borer, even in your area. Sounds like a flying critter laid eggs on the top of the stalk somewhere and when hatched ate away.
Sorry on those losses Greg and Liz; no help from here as I don't have those.
One more goner has returned to life for me!
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Mar 28, 2016 7:42 PM CST
Name: Jane H.
Kentucky (Zone 6b)
Birds Region: Kentucky Clematis Daylilies Irises Region: United States of America
I do think it is quite early for borers to have gotten fat even with the unseasonably warm weather. I have seen borers in the flowers at times but not this early. I do not know how they get there but it happens. I have spent the day dousing all of my irises with various sorts of chemicals to see which one works best. I have used 2-in-1 and All in One and Fertilome Tree and Shrub Drench as well as the Bayer Season Long granules. Mostly Merit only lasts about a month so must reapply. I do not know if that applies to Season Long Grub Control. And I have NEVER seen a borer egg. I think they are extremely small.
Moths can still lay their eggs in the fall and can wander over from other yards to land in yours. Sad but true.
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Mar 29, 2016 3:28 AM CST
Name: Bonnie Sojourner
Harris Brake Lake, Arkansas (Zone 7a)
Magnolia zone
Region: United States of America Region: Arkansas Master Gardener: Arkansas Irises Plant and/or Seed Trader Moon Gardener
Garden Ideas: Master Level Dragonflies Bulbs Garden Art Celebrating Gardening: 2015 Gardens in Buckets
One of my losses has returned from the goners list. Sugar Magnolia, which died back early last summer, has put up two little fans. I could not even find a rhizome last fall. It may be a year or two before it blooms but at least it made it.
Thro' all the tumult and the strife I hear the music ringing; It finds an echo in my soul— How can I keep from singing?
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Mar 29, 2016 5:28 AM CST
Name: Richard
Joshua Tree (Zone 9a)
Birds Herbs Irises Ponds Plant and/or Seed Trader
Bonnie, That's good news when they do that.
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Mar 29, 2016 6:10 AM CST
South central PA (Zone 6a)
Irises Region: Pennsylvania
So nice when a "dead" one comes back to life and gives a great surprise "here I am again."
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Mar 29, 2016 8:31 AM CST
Name: Leslie
Durham, NC (Zone 8a)
Garden Photography Cat Lover Irises Region: North Carolina Peonies Enjoys or suffers hot summers
Celebrating Gardening: 2015
Happy for you Bonnie. Sugar Magnolia is a beauty!!!
"The chimera is a one time happenstance event where the plant has a senior moment and forgets what it is doing." - Paul Black
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Mar 29, 2016 11:16 AM CST
Name: Darcy
Reno, NV (Zone 6b)
DaveinPA said:So nice when a "dead" one comes back to life and gives a great surprise "here I am again."


Uh...you ARE talking about iris right? Hilarious!
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Mar 29, 2016 12:19 PM CST
Name: Leslie
Durham, NC (Zone 8a)
Garden Photography Cat Lover Irises Region: North Carolina Peonies Enjoys or suffers hot summers
Celebrating Gardening: 2015
Rolling on the floor laughing
"The chimera is a one time happenstance event where the plant has a senior moment and forgets what it is doing." - Paul Black
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Mar 29, 2016 5:53 PM CST
South central PA (Zone 6a)
Irises Region: Pennsylvania
Darcy,
mostly iris, other species might be good also, but some would be downright scary!
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Mar 29, 2016 5:57 PM CST
Name: Leslie
Durham, NC (Zone 8a)
Garden Photography Cat Lover Irises Region: North Carolina Peonies Enjoys or suffers hot summers
Celebrating Gardening: 2015
Well they aren't goners but I have A LOT of frost damage this year, and it has affected many of the center fans. We had very warm weather, then snow, then warm weather, then an ice storm, and the cold periods really made an impact. I am guessing many will not bloom this year, or if they do I will have a ton of chimeras.

And a Grumbling Grumbling squirrel dug in a pot and broke the entire fan off my Terracotta Bay. Crying Crying
"The chimera is a one time happenstance event where the plant has a senior moment and forgets what it is doing." - Paul Black
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Mar 29, 2016 6:51 PM CST
Name: Jen Jax
Northern Kentucky (Zone 6a)
Region: Kentucky Dog Lover Irises Peonies Enjoys or suffers cold winters
I'm sorry Leslie! I know how frustrating that is! My dog broke off a bunch of stalks last year chasing a ball down our back hill. I almost puked.
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Mar 29, 2016 7:01 PM CST
Name: Liz
East Dover, VT (Zone 5a)
Annuals Irises Lilies Region: Northeast US Organic Gardener Peonies
Lover of wildlife (Raccoon badge) Seed Starter Enjoys or suffers hot summers Vegetable Grower Lover of wildlife (Black bear badge) Hummingbirder
That's terrible! I accidentally damaged an increase today when I was peeling back a dead leaf and I almost cried. Luckily it isn't a favorite. What does frost damage look like?

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