I think you may be mixing names with bushes.
Or maybe not.
The smaller one is mine, honor. 5 leaflets.
The bigger one is one of the bushes we've had for years that my mother CLAIMED it went wild. It has 7 leaflets
And here is a picture on that one this morning before I went to work.
I have no idea what to make of it...
species rose??? I did not expect thstthat