Background history:

'Lady Elizabeth' is a diploid introduced in 1948 by Gersdorff.

This plant can be found in the NGA Plant Database at:
Daylily (Hemerocallis 'Robbobeli') .

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Daylily (Hemerocallis 'Robbobeli')

How do you read the color description in the database 'YD1: Yellow dark self'. Anyone know?

This was a new to me plant(s) last summer. While they did bloom for me last year, I don't have a full report on them yet. I did get to witness their nocturnal behaviors too.

I will say that both clumps stayed green over the winter, but so did just about everything else that was in this particular garden.

needrain,
I read that as a Dark Yellow daylily. It does not look like that to me.
Go to the below site, and read down to flower color. The AHS site does not show a picture.
http://www.daylilies.org/Dayli...

Seedfork said:needrain,
I read that as a Dark Yellow daylily. It does not look like that to me.
Go to the below site, and read down to flower color. The AHS site does not show a picture.
http://www.daylilies.org/Dayli...

Thanks for finding that link, Larry. Yes, it reads 'dark yellow self' to me. That isn't what I see in the database. On reading the color description, it seemed like it would be reading as dark yellow, but I know codes can be tricky. Now I wonder what the explanation for that color description vs that very light bloom would be? It would seem to be a discrepancy to me.

The white Lady Elizabeth is a patented white daylily:

http://www.americandaylily.com...

The AHS registered 1948 one is supposed to be yellow:

http://www.daylilies.org/Dayli...

Not sure what the cultivar name of the patented one is, it should be shown with the trade name. I'll look it up and post back.

Edit to add: The cultivar name of the trademarked Lady Elizabeth is 'Robbobeli' (not AHS registered) here's the patent:
http://www.google.com/patents/...

The NGA database needs to be corrected accordingly.

@jon,
Check this out, Maybe the The Daylily of The Day should not feature Lady Elizabeth.

Also everyone who has photos and events posted for Lady Elizabeth may want to review their entries.
I just corrected a plant I had mislabeled, but I had no photos entered showing it, however I nearly forgot to delete all the events I had added for it, so I had to go back and delete things like when a scape was sent up and when it bloomed etc.
Edited to add:
Also check "Local Reports" that might have been added for this plant.
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Seedfork said:@jon,
Check this out, Maybe the The Daylily of The Day should not feature Lady Elizabeth.

It depends whether people are interested in the newer Lady Elizabeth TM ('Robbobeli') or the AHS registered yellow 1948 'Lady Elizabeth'. I suspect probably the former.

sooby,
you might be right about leaving it do to peoples interest. A decision for the admins., but to me leaving it adds credibility to the practice and I personally do not like.

I'm not sure how to correct this so I'm posting the question on the Plant Database forum. I suspect the rust rating relates to 'Robbobeli'. I wish people who trademark daylilies or patent them would check first that they aren't duplicating an AHS registered name

So all of the photos in the database are of an unregistered daylily patented with the name 'Robbobeli' and distributed using the name 'Lady Elizabeth' which is the legitimate name of a yellow daylily registered in 1948? Classic identity theft.

If I were growing 'Robbobeli' thinking it was named 'Lady Elizabeth', I'd want to know that. Maybe The Daylily of the Day is a good place to start.

Is there a place in the database where a plant like this could be shown with all the info? Cross referencing the names etc.? Then a search for 'Lady Elizabeth' would bring up both cultivars and a grower could determine which they had fairly easily. Making the database even more useful!

I posted a question about procedure for this in the plant database forum - I think usually we don't include unregistered daylilies unless maybe they are very popular or widely distributed. I also mentioned the rust rating since it may relate to the wrong daylily.

Is this daylile associated with All American Daylilies? IF so, they are notorious for slapping their own names on registered cultivars and selling them as 'theirs'. Now maybe they have the hybridizers permission to do that? I don't know, but this is most likely 'someone else' who is registered, and then renamed Lady Elizabeth for their 'trademark' to sell.

http://www.allamericandaylilie...

For instance, this one is actually Dublin Elaine, but is sold as 'Dream Soufflé"

Frillylilly, the actual name of this Lady Elizabeth is 'Robbobeli', a patented name. Lady Elizabeth is a trade designation not a cultivar name. It is All American, see link above. Since it is patented presumably it's not something else renamed. The situation is not as clear with Frankly Scarlet, which appears to be a trademark only with no indication of a real cultivar name. If that's indeed the case it could be anything. If sellers knew how to render plant names correctly it would be easier to figure these things out.

I received a copy of All Americans catalog a few years back, and as I was looking at them I recognized a photo, I just coincidentally had received an Oakes catalog a few days before and compared the pictures. Dublin Elaine had been renamed by All American and they were using the very exact same photo that Oakes had in their book, trying to pass if off as "theirs". I would not ever order anything from them.

It's not necessarily technically renamed if they're selling it under a trademark. Having said that, if indeed it is 'Dublin Elaine' then it really should be written DREAM SOUFFLE ('Dublin Elaine'). A trade designation is not a cultivar name.

Another tie to Oaks, and American Daylily and Perennials. It seems to me these companies have a lot more in common than meets the eye. I am wondering if Oaks is not the source for the All American daylily plants. See my post in the thread 'Frankly Scarlet'. I wondered why American Daylily and Perennials would be featuring a Corryton Pink Tet? It seems Oaks is the supplier of most of these unregistered plants with the same names as the registered ones and they hype them as All American winners.

sooby I saw no patent info on their site about 'Frankly Scarlet', it just appears to be a similar plant.

I saw it listed on one or two sites as Frankly Scarlet TM which, if accurate, means we don't know the cultivar name or what cultivar it is. A trade designation should not be written with single quotes, only a cultivar name gets the single quotes.