Wes said:Amber I know very little on this subject but if it's blooms you desire pluck any and all seed pods you don't desire. Not always easy with some varieties but I prefer blooms to pods with exception to pods created by crossing. JMHO.

That pod was intentionally set, but I will keep that in mind. Another good piece of information I didn't know. I have noticed that my bud-builders seem a little more resistant to setting pods. Has anyone else noticed this?

Seedfork said:@Char,
I am sure she can explain about the way terms are decided on by AHS!

Sorry, the sun is shining and after two days of rain I just had to run out to see the garden before answering.

Terms that need official defining are normally sent to the AHS Scientific Studies Committee which oversees the AHS Daylily Dictionary. Sometimes a term may be defined by a different committee if the term is specific to their area and then forwarded to the SSC for approval. That said, there are areas of AHS where the explanation of a term may not be consistent or are reworded slightly for use by a specific committee...or a hybridizer or grower may put their own spin on a term to suit their use, purpose, understanding, or misunderstanding. This can sometimes appear to alter the meaning of a term, give more information or even incorrect information. Consistency can be difficult to achieve in an organization. I'm just explaining how "things" sometimes work with daylily terms, don't shoot me

Bud-building is not rebloom it is a different type of growth. The scapes are expressing a type of indeterminate growth, where the scape continues to grow and produce buds rather than stop as would be seen with a normal scape.
Here is the AHS definition link which includes a great image...
http://www.daylilies.org/ahs_d...

I did find another explanation of rebloom on the AHS Frequently Asked Questions link that gives some added information...from that page....
"Rebloomer (Re). These daylilies bloom more than one time during a single season. Some of these bloom early (e.g., May or June) and then repeat in the fall. Others have a succession of bloom periods, one shortly after another for several months."

A daylily can be a bud-builder and rebloomer, they are two different terms that refer to the scape(s) and bloom period.

Larry--from what I know people like proof. Especially when you have a plant that does something that most of its kind do not. So when bloom counts started to skyrocket for some hybridizers, their proof was the scars on the scape. If your scape dies, it's dead. But if it hangs on green there is a reason why it's still living. Most likely pod, maybe prolif, maybe budbuilding, on Final Touch I only ever have its first set of scapes and I still have them now. They are still green. The scapes started growing in April, I believe. Started blooming May. Saturday it still had two blooms yet to open. That is a long time for an original scap to stay green. When it is done if I take the scape, you would think by the scars it was average at best. Sometimes things are an exception and thats what makes it exceptional! That is what Final Touch is to me an exceptional daylily!

Amber--Final Touch has not had any bee pods, and Crimson Pirate does not get bee pods, either This year Crimson Pirate hardly did anything, but prove me wrong. Bee pods! I don't know if viable. Survival of the fittest.

May everyone be blessed with a wonderful day!

amberjewel said:I consider the bud-building on my scapes to still be the original blooming cycle.

It is.

Ok, all that begins to make sense to me now. Still I am a little confused on the rebloom scapes that produce bud builders. I am just not sure exactly how to refer to a bloom that is on a rebloom scape, but is also the result of bud building? Am I correct in assuming that a bud builder bloom does not have to be the result or original bloom, but could be the result of a rebloom scape?

Bud-building is a continuation of blooms on one scape. If a scape continues to elongate and make buds, then it can be said that it is a bud-builder.

It matters not if bud-building occurs on an initial scape or rebloom scape.

A couple of photos of bud-building scapes, courtesy of the internet:

Judy-- call me crazy, but my two bud builders do not get longer scapes that I am consciously aware of. I count blooms, their done and then bam! Or there should only be 3 more blooms and end up with 5 or 6 more. Sometimes like two or three weeks later. I wondered if it was like socketed iris. I can check the socket it's empty and before you know it another one is growing in it(one of my triple sockets). Thanks for the info! I think next year I will take a sharpie to my budbuilders scapes and pay better attention! Thank you and may you be blessed with a wonderful day!

I appreciate this thread for the good illustrations and explanations of bud-building, to all who contributed, but I have to say that those scapes look somewhat hideous. *cringing in fear icon*

I've grown 'Beautiful Edgings' for a great many years, and I never noticed bud building on it before - or at least, I certainly never noticed scapes as shown in the images before. Perhaps it does not like my garden situation. (I cut the last two scapes, so I could put the last two blooms in a vase, this morning. While the scapes were a little stretchy, there were only about 5 bud scars plus the bloom on the terminal end of the branch.)

Polymerous said:I appreciate this thread for the good illustrations and explanations of bud-building, to all who contributed, but I have to say that those scapes look somewhat hideous. *cringing in fear icon*

I've grown 'Beautiful Edgings' for a great many years, and I never noticed bud building on it before - or at least, I certainly never noticed scapes as shown in the images before. Perhaps it does not like my garden situation. (I cut the last two scapes, so I could put the last two blooms in a vase, this morning. While the scapes were a little stretchy, there were only about 5 bud scars plus the bloom on the terminal end of the branch.)

@Polymerous are you referring to my scapes or the ones a few posts above yours as being scary? If it's mine you feel are scary (in the original post), could you offer suggestions on what I might do to improve their appearance?

I am SO SORRY, Amber, for any confusion; I was not dissing YOUR scapes.

My reference was to the image in the AHS link that Sue provided, and to the images that Judy posted.

Truthfully, while we all want color and blooms in our garden, I think at some point you have to weigh the color and blooms against the overall garden presentation. I cannot consider the lone bloom way at the top of those scary looking scapes as any kind of ornamentation to the garden. (The bloom by itself, yes, but the point is that the bloom isn't by itself, it is on that scary looking scape!) Were it in my garden, I believe I would have cut the scape before it got to that point, buds or no buds. (The only exception would be if I were hybridizing, and either needed pollen from, or wanted to set pods on, that plant... but even then, there would have been plenty of opportunities for such, before the scape got to that state.)

JMHO.

Again, my apologies for the confusion.

No worries polymerous. I was pretty sure you weren't talking about my pictures. I too find the AHS examples of bud building to be a little extreme and not very appealing. However, I am enjoying the consistent blooming I am getting from the bud builders in my garden. Right now I am only getting one or two blooms per day on each of them (they each have 3 scapes), but I imagine that once they multiply (just planted them at the end of last summer) and I have more scapes, then I will consistently get 5-8 blooms per day on each of them