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Electricsheep
Jul 24, 2016 2:47 AM CST
Hi newbie here😊 Found this growing in the garden few years ago and wonder what it could be. It loses leaves in winter. Any help appreciated.
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Name: June
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JuneOntario
Jul 24, 2016 10:06 AM CST
Hi Electricsheep! I like your name - is it from "When Androids Dream of...."?

To help us identify your tree or shrub, tell us where it is growing (country, climate zone), please.
Name: Suzanne/Sue
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Calif_Sue
Jul 24, 2016 10:27 AM CST

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Looks like a wisteria.
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Electricsheep
Jul 26, 2016 3:14 PM CST
Im in uk, looks like wisteria as sue said, wonder how that started growing though. It started shooting in middle of lawn innseptember a few years ago.

Electricsheep
Jul 26, 2016 3:20 PM CST
Itbdoesnt look like climbing plant though.
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Calif_Sue
Jul 26, 2016 10:59 PM CST

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Its still a young plant, it will eventually climb.
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Electricsheep
Jul 27, 2016 5:49 AM CST
Thx for the id here a closer pic. You wouldnt happen to know if these can be tamed as a shrub or small tree?
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Name: Sue
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sooby
Jul 27, 2016 8:37 AM CST
The leaves are opposite from that last picture, so not Wisteria.
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sooby
Jul 27, 2016 9:21 AM CST
With opposite pinnately compound leaves the first thought is ash. A black terminal bud is also an ash characteristic, but I'm not 100% on matching the leaflets, in some pictures it looks like Fraxinus excelsior and in others not so much. Perhaps one of our European members is familiar with it since Electricsheep is in the UK, @JRsbugs @bonitin
Name: Lin
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plantladylin
Jul 27, 2016 9:54 AM CST
It sure looks like Ash to me and Common Ash (Fraxinus excelsior) is native in the UK. This page has a few good photos of stems, leaves: http://treedoctor.msu.edu/ash/ashtree_id.html

Here's a list of UK trees with some good photos for comparison: http://www.woodlandtrust.org.uk/visiting-woods/trees-woods-a...
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Name: Myriam
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bonitin
Jul 27, 2016 10:17 AM CST
I don't think it is the Common Ash either, the leave surface on Electricsheep's plant looks having relief, (not flat like on Ash), and the leaf petioles look hardly existing..:
https://www.google.be/search?q=Fraxinus+excelsior+leaves&esp...
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bonitin
Jul 27, 2016 10:23 AM CST
the Manna Ash (Fraxinus ornus) has relief on the leaflets but has longer petioles and is hardly noticeable serrate.
https://www.keele.ac.uk/arboretum/trees/species/mannaash/

Electricsheep
Jul 27, 2016 10:49 AM CST
There is 13 leaflets on each leaf

Electricsheep
Jul 27, 2016 10:55 AM CST
Sorry 11
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bonitin
Jul 27, 2016 11:13 AM CST
Yes, Electricsheep, I meant to say that Fraxinus ornus also cannot fit your plant, sorry I cannot help further, maybe @JRsbugs knows more..
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JRsbugs
Jul 27, 2016 11:31 AM CST
I think it's Fraxinus excelsior, leaves seem to vary but this is a young tree. Black buds look about right, could be a cultivar.

http://paulkirtley.co.uk/2011/bark-buds-common-european-deci...

http://www.biopix.com/ash-fraxinus-excelsior_photo-14769.asp...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fraxinus_excelsior

Electricsheep
Jul 27, 2016 11:57 AM CST
Ok thx guys

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