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Oct 17, 2011 5:17 PM CST
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Name: Zuzu
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That's the spirit! Pack them in! If you leave spaces between plants, you'll just have to spend more time weeding, and no one wants to do that when there are so many more enjoyable things to do in a garden.

Besides, it can still be restful to the eyes at a distance, but full of vibrant detail up close. I like your idea of staying with whites and pinks and combinations of the two. I'd add that you should strive to plant roses that will be close to the same height. That produces a more serene landscape than one with sudden changes of height. I'd let the Chinese Fringe Tree in the middle be the only thing that's tall.
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Oct 17, 2011 6:00 PM CST
Name: Toni
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My personal favorite in the pink family has got to be California Dreamin'. Imagine that.. LOL. Gaudy, huge, tolerant of neglect = my kinda rose. :D Rose (Rosa 'California Dreamin'')
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Oct 17, 2011 7:07 PM CST
Name: Betty
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Oct 17, 2011 8:42 PM CST
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I second Betty Boop, or is that third?! Every time I see it in a public or private garden, or a nursery, it's always a great looking all around healthy plant, to me that's a big bonus and the blooms are cheerful too.
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Oct 18, 2011 12:59 PM CST
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Name: Trish
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Zuzu- you'd keep them all at the same hight, front to back?
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Oct 18, 2011 1:09 PM CST
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Maybe some shorter ones around the edges, but I wouldn't put any tall ones into the mix in random places. Let me rephrase that: I would and I do, but I wouldn't if I were striving for a serene landscape. If you want the rose bed to be restful to the eye, it shouldn't have any radical departures from pattern. If you want the bed to be more exciting than serene, on the other hand, then you shouldn't follow any design rules at all.
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Oct 18, 2011 1:19 PM CST
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Name: Trish
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ok- gotcha.

Dave reconsidered, and we decided to go with our original idea of putting a fountain in the middle, and roses all around. Hopefully Mr. Fringe will transplant ok!
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Oct 18, 2011 1:25 PM CST
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Hurray! Yeah, love the fountain idea! We have a large urn we picked up at Costco that we'll be placing in the center of the bed in front of the house and converting into a fountain. It's currently sitting on the front porch, maybe I'll go roll that big puppy out right now and get hubby fired up to get it done! Rolling my eyes.


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Oct 18, 2011 1:25 PM CST
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Neat! I love fountains and they're much easier to take care of than plants in the middle of a big flower bed. They also don't drop branches on your roses when the wind blows. Smiling
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Oct 18, 2011 2:42 PM CST
Name: Cindi
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Trish, I wish I had a picture of my formal rose bed. I did the fountain in the middle, with roses in shades of pink and soft orange all around. That bed has 2 Rainbow Sorbet, Pink Home Run,Royal Bonica, Martha's Vineyard Rose, Mardi Gras, Cape Diamond, Lovely Fairy, Pink Promise and Belinda's Dream, among others. To cover the roses' bare legs, I grow verbena. The purple homestead verbena is the only one that's been hardy here in Kansas. I wish I could keep the pink from year to year! It works wonderfully as a groundcover in a rose bed. I have another bed that is only red roses (anchored by a lovely Linda Cambell) and the purple verbena really sets off the reds. Way out beyond reach of hoses, in full sun, is a bed of Earthkind roses from Chamblees. We had 52 days over 100 with exceptional drought and constant wind this year, and that bed didn't get watered. Those roses are still blooming. Amazing. Another area has just Austin roses in with daylilies. The daylilies shriveled up to nearly nothing, and the Austins are blooming still. Hope that helps!
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Oct 30, 2011 9:47 AM CST
Name: Steve
Prescott, AZ (Zone 7b)
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One outrageous idea would be to plant one Alexander McKenzie or Alexander Girault a few feet away from the fringe tree and train the tall climber into the tree as it grows. Then maybe when the white fringes form, there would be red flowers to go with them. Not many other reddish roses could pull this off. Alternatively, maybe two or three Red Cascade roses (ARE) planted eight or ten feet out from the tree might work. Red Cascade is vigorous enough that it can grow fairly near mature trees, though sometimes this stunts its growth a little.

I would be tempted to grow the cup-flowered tea rose Ducher (ARE) to echo the white of the fringes in another shape. The smaller polyantha Katherina Ziemet (ARE) might also look good nearer the periphery, with its small white button flowers on a dense little shrub.

I've grown very enamored of Calwell Pink (ARE) for the way it seems to settle in and grow like gangbusters in terrible, dry soil. It is also very nicely branched, and makes neat flowers through the season.

For a splash of color nearer the edges you might try Wine Cup (ARE), a dark red-maroon rose that is suggestive of the Texas wildflower it's named after. It is small, and to make much of an impact, I'd think maybe between 6 and 12 would be required. But I think its smoldering color - hard to get in roses - might be just the right thing to go with the pinks and whites.

Sounds like there are about 600 square feet here to plant. And if one gives up 300 square feet to roses, and each rose gets a generous 10 square feet, there's plenty of room for 30 roses. I think there might still be room for a paved path and maybe a small bench on the shady side of the tree, too.

Even though this is a rose forum, I'd be tempted to plant a few blue iris. The blue and white Clarence mixes really well with roses, is fragrant, and it re-blooms in fall. Perhaps some hollyhocks and larkspur could be added for vertical emphasis. The canna Pretoria might look really handsome as its foliage would echo the tree and the orange flowers would brighten things up.

If you want more splashes of brigher color in roses consider a Pat Austin rose, or Rise 'n' Shine.

I do recommend daily watering for the whole of the first season that roses are getting established, especially if the high temperature is above 90F. And mulch.

Good luck with the circle. I can't wait to see how it turns out.
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Oct 30, 2011 11:43 AM CST
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Name: Trish
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Thanks, Steve!

It got cold quick, and we got overwhelmed with Stuff To Do, so looks like my project will wait until spring.

Gives me more time to think about it errrr- change my mind a million times!
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Oct 30, 2011 3:17 PM CST
Name: Steve
Prescott, AZ (Zone 7b)
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You're welcome.

Spring will certainly be the best time to plant roses, as I'm sure you know.

Half the fun of designing a garden is changing one's mind. I'd bet nearly a quarter of the plants in my garden have been moved to their current spot from another spot in the garden. It's always a work in progress.
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