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Oct 5, 2016 3:52 PM CST
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Tim, come spring you will be singing 'Amanda's praises. She is lovely at that time of year.


I think we have the wrong semp for 'Nico'. I see a very big difference between you original 'Nico' and the one from Kevin. Sad
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Oct 5, 2016 4:00 PM CST
Name: Bev
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Tim, you better start practicing now...Do, re, mi, fa, ..... Whistling
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Oct 5, 2016 6:14 PM CST
Name: Greg Colucci
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Tim - your Amanda doesn't look bright enough to me...just in that pic. Mine still has purple coloration (is yours in full sun?)
I agree with you Nico looks wrong. I tip my hat to you.
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Oct 5, 2016 6:27 PM CST
Name: Tim Stoehr
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I won't sing but I'll surely admit if I'm wrong.
Greg, my Amanda gets a half day of direct sun... the first half... 4-6 hours. This is what she looked like in March:


If she returns to that form, then she's likely a keeper. If not... well... you don't wanna know. Blinking

I agree Lynn, I think we have yet another NOID on our hands. I kinda like it though. And at least I've got a couple growing offsets of the real thing.
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Oct 5, 2016 9:47 PM CST
Name: Greg Colucci
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March photo looks correct for Amanda, I like this one because it grows so easily and is a bit smaller, but this thread is about Nico Shrug!
Sorry Whistling
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Oct 17, 2016 11:21 AM CST
Name: Tim Stoehr
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Imposter 'Nico' on the left, 'Dallas' on the right. I think they're the same variety. My guess is 'Dallas' was sold as 'Nico'. Much like the way some of use got 'Bronco' when they bought 'Strider'. Of course... it's just a theory.

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Oct 17, 2016 11:38 AM CST
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Great photos Tim.
The best way to know if there is a difference between the two is to observe them over a period of time that includes all the seasons.
If you look at 'Dallas' in our database you will see there is a definite difference in the spring through summer. 'Nico' never attains this type of coloring. It will be fun to see what your two colonies look like this spring.
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Oct 17, 2016 2:22 PM CST
Name: Daniel Erdy
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Great detective work Tim Thumbs up
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Oct 18, 2016 10:03 AM CST
Name: Greg Colucci
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I would say those aren't the same plant, subtle differences. Like Lynn says, wait until spring!
I love when a semp looks really similar and then they are totally different for part of the year!
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Oct 18, 2016 10:10 AM CST
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I looked at my 'Nico' and 'Dallas' yesterday. Obviously different semps, even though the colors are similar right now.
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Oct 18, 2016 11:04 AM CST
Name: Tim Stoehr
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valleylynn said:I looked at my 'Nico' and 'Dallas' yesterday. Obviously different semps, even though the colors are similar right now.

gg5 said:I would say those aren't the same plant, subtle differences. Like Lynn says, wait until spring!



That's helpful to know. I was looking at 'Dark Cloud' this morning and I was getting suspicious of that one too. I think the weather is promoting some similar characteristics to appear in some cultivars. 'Temby' as well. Or maybe the weather is just effecting my judgement. Hilarious!
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Oct 18, 2016 4:48 PM CST
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Hilarious! Right now it seems like there are numerous semps that could easily be confused with each other this time of year. I don't think it's your judgement Tim. Smiling

In fact I think I am going to have to use Chris's method of wiring/pinning down the newly arrived semp offsets. I do have the bird netting up, but the earth worms are busy pushing the newly planted offsets into piles. Confused
So far the three varieties are easily identified, but there are some that would not be until next year.
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Oct 31, 2016 7:03 PM CST
Name: Tim Stoehr
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I'm beginning to think 'Nico' is simply a chameleon. Here's the same plant in March and then in September of this year. The first one looks much more Nico-ish while the second make me say "no way". Confused
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Oct 31, 2016 9:25 PM CST
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Can you get us a photo of it now Tim?
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Oct 31, 2016 9:37 PM CST
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Think you have to give it at least one whole season to see if it matches up. I kept noticing my 'Strider' looked like 'Santino' (which was incorrect) it took me 2 years to really say ok they are the same semp. Strider goes through so many color changes. Sounds like Nico does too I tip my hat to you.
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Nov 1, 2016 12:15 PM CST
Name: Tim Stoehr
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Here she is today with the offset Kevin provided at the lower left. I think it's a matter of growing conditions. Patty's 'Nico' images in our DB look similar. It will be interesting to watch and see if the two plants in this picture eventually sync up. If they don't then I'll keep Kevin's and heave-ho the other. Crying

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Nov 1, 2016 5:20 PM CST
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I think my 'Nico' looks more like yours Tim. Sighing!
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Nov 2, 2016 9:06 AM CST
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Here are some Nico pics from Europe to compare yours with

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Feb 9, 2017 12:58 PM CST
Name: Tim Stoehr
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Update... here's my suspect 'Nico', the large one, looking reasonably Nico-ish. Kevin's offset that was given to me last year is the smaller red one. I would think that Kevin's will end up having much stronger red tips, as it did in the previous pics
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Feb 10, 2017 9:38 PM CST
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I took this photo of my 'Nico' today.
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I don't think mine is correct. Sad

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