Plant ID forum: Pulmonaria saccharata?

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Name: Evan
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eclayne
Oct 28, 2011 7:26 PM CST

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Bought a couple of years ago and entered it as Pulmonaria saccharata without cultivar. It doesn't look like the pics of the species I've seen on the web. Any ideas?
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zuzu
Oct 28, 2011 7:48 PM CST

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Could it be Trevi Fountain? That's such a popular one and it's so changeable in its appearance, depending on the soil and the weather.

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&sugexp=kjrmc&cp=12&gs_id=...
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eclayne
Oct 28, 2011 8:46 PM CST

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It looks awfully close Zuzu. Leaf shape looks right, spots are similar, bloom looks right and the dimensions are pretty close. So many of them look similar to me.
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zuzu
Oct 28, 2011 9:25 PM CST

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I agree. A lot of them do look alike. That's why I was judging mainly on popularity. This is the one most sellers carry, so it depends on where you bought it, I guess.
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eclayne
Oct 28, 2011 9:37 PM CST

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Seller would seem to fit the profile. My local nursery/garden center. The only thing that makes me question is I entered it as saccharata. I do have P. saccharata 'Milky Way' so maybe I just made a mistake with the older one.
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zuzu
Oct 28, 2011 9:57 PM CST

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Trevi Fountain is a saccharata, though. The entry in the database doesn't have the species, but I'm pretty sure that's the species.
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eclayne
Oct 29, 2011 7:58 AM CST

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Mobot says it's across between P. longifolia ‘Bertram Anderson’ and P. vallarsae ‘Margery Fish’.
http://www.missouribotanicalgarden.org/gardens-gardening/you...
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zuzu
Oct 29, 2011 3:27 PM CST

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Yes, I see that. I had found a few sources that call it a saccharata by Googling, but most don't. Sorry.
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eclayne
Nov 3, 2011 3:52 PM CST

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If others mislabel it maybe my GC supplier did too.
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eclayne
Nov 16, 2011 6:29 PM CST

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Zuzu, after looking thru my old tags I found the one for this plant. "Pulmonaria, Lungwort", very helpful. No mention of saccharata. The leaves are a lighter green than my P. saccharata ‘Milky Way’.
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zuzu
Nov 16, 2011 7:13 PM CST

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So now we need Janet to come over and tell us what it is. I still vote for Trevi Fountain. Smiling
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JRsbugs
Nov 16, 2011 7:40 PM CST
Lol, I was going to look but got busy elsewhere. If I can't find it in the next half an hour it will be tomorrow, it's already well into "tomorrow" here.
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JRsbugs
Nov 16, 2011 8:44 PM CST
Pulmonaria officinalis flowers seem to match..

http://www.robsplants.com/plants/PulmoOffic

Pulmonaria officinalis 'Spilled Milk'..

http://www.calflora.net/losangelesarboretum/whatsbloomingmar...

http://www.missouribotanicalgarden.org/gardens-gardening/you...

There is a similarity to Trevi Fountain but the flowers look a little different, the centres look to have a pink halo, and I think the leaves are narrower. These are both fairly old cultivars but it's difficult to find many photos of them.

http://tinaramsey.blogspot.com/search/label/Pulmonaria

Leaves look closest to Spilled Milk

http://www.flickr.com/photos/28604853@N08/4555889505/

The more I look the more varieties I find! Baby Blue seems to be close but the flowers are pale with a darker centre, look at the second pic..

http://www.missouribotanicalgarden.org/gardens-gardening/you...

Spilled Milk still looks closest for both flowers and leaves.

You can view others on Missouri botanical site by searching for Pulmonaria.

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zuzu
Nov 16, 2011 9:23 PM CST

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I agree: Spilled Milk is a perfect match in every way.

Here's a link, Evan, if you want to add your photo to the database:

Bethlehem Sage (Pulmonaria 'Spilled Milk')
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eclayne
Nov 16, 2011 10:11 PM CST

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Thank you very much for the great sleuthing!
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JRsbugs
Nov 17, 2011 6:24 AM CST
Nice to have agreement Zuzu!

You're welcome Evan. Smiling

It's a lovely plant, I think I need one!
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Name: Zuzu
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zuzu
Nov 17, 2011 8:13 AM CST

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I was going to say I need one too. Maybe everyone needs one! Smiling
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JRsbugs
Nov 17, 2011 8:53 AM CST
Lol, I have been searching here and not found anyone who sells it now. It was one of Terra Nova's first introductions of Pulmonaria hybrids in 1994, I found it listed at one nursery here but that is not on their website.

http://www.ideamarketers.com/?Pulmonaria&articleid=1611137

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