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Name: Dave Whitinger
Jacksonville, Texas (Zone 8b)
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dave
Nov 1, 2011 10:40 AM CST

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In case anyone is wondering what I'm up to this week, it's working on the new server for ATP.

It arrived yesterday and I am busy getting it ready. I hope to have it in production and running the site within a couple weeks.

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Name: Carol
Canton GA (Zone 7b)
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CAKnapp
Nov 1, 2011 10:58 AM CST
Thumbs up I tip my hat to you.
Name: Lin
Florida (Zone 9b)
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plantladylin
Nov 1, 2011 11:25 AM CST
I like what's showing on that middle screen ... other than that it all looks like a bunch of technical stuff to me. Big Grin
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Name: Rick Corey
Everett WA 98204 (Zone 8a)
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RickCorey
Nov 1, 2011 1:17 PM CST
Very nice!

It's like seeing behind the curtain, where the Wizard of Oz works his magic mojo.

Name: Chris
Ripon, Wisconsin
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goldfinch4
Nov 1, 2011 1:56 PM CST
Rolling on the floor laughing Good one Rick! Personally, it scares me just to look at it. Our company just did a major upgrade to a new server and we have had two days of disaster, with more to come!!!
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Name: Rick Corey
Everett WA 98204 (Zone 8a)
Sunset Zone 5. Koppen Csb. Eco 2f
I helped beta test the first seed swap Plant and/or Seed Trader Seed Starter Region: Pacific Northwest Photo Contest Winner: 2014 Vegetable Grower
Avid Green Pages Reviewer Garden Ideas: Master Level Garden Sages I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database! I helped plan and beta test the plant database. Charter ATP Member
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RickCorey
Nov 1, 2011 2:20 PM CST
>> Personally, it scares me just to look at it. Our company just did a major upgrade to a new server and we have had two days of disaster

Sad to say, I think that is typical. "Major upgrade, new and improved systems" ... everyone might as well stay home for several days while we try to get anything working again.

However - note how Dave got this whole site up and running with hardly ANY glitches - and those so minor that few people even SAW them. And I think those were mostly related to browser idiosyncracies. It amzes me that anyone can write code that works for multiple, competing browsers!

The command-line text scrolling past actually scares me less than "modern tools" that hide all complexity behind a facade that "does it all for you".

Or they "do it all TO you" and you have no recourse when anything goes astray.

Things at the command line level tend to be relatively simple and "knowable", whereas power tools tend to have us at their mercy.

I don't WORK with PCs or their networks and applications. Thank goodness I only work with embedded microcontrollers in environments much simpler than the PC - OS - application - Internet - browser - network snake pit..

To me, that stuff is black magic dominated by vendors who want to entrap you into their toolchain and then own your soul (or, at least, your entire development budget) for eternity.

I "have to" use PC-based development tools, and have learned to fear the difficulties caused by my tools more than any difficulty in the engineering itself. Complexity is always harder!


Simplicity is prerequisite for reliability
- Edsger W.Dijkstra

Everything should be made as simple as possible, but not simpler.
-Albert Einstein

For every complex problem there is an answer that is clear, simple, and wrong.
- H L Mencken

There are two ways of constructing a software design.
One way is to make it so simple that there are obviously no deficiencies.
And the other way is to make it so complicated that there are no obvious deficiencies."
- C. A. R. Hoare



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Name: Karen
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kqcrna
Nov 1, 2011 3:17 PM CST
That's great Dave.

Karen
Name: Nancy
Buffalo NY
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nap
Nov 1, 2011 6:32 PM CST
Well, Dave...it's all geek to me.
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Name: Marylyn
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Marylyn
Nov 1, 2011 6:36 PM CST
GREAT quotes, Rick!! Thumbs up
Name: Susan
Zone 5b (Zone 5b)

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gardenersdetective
Nov 1, 2011 9:39 PM CST
Thumbs up Dave thanks for the tour of ATP Headquarters I tip my hat to you.
Name: Horseshoe Griffin
Efland, NC (Zone 7a)
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Horseshoe
Nov 2, 2011 9:16 AM CST
And you now run the server at home? Am I remembering the days when you had to drive umpteen miles to some big building that housed your server(s), Dave? And now it just sits on a table in your office? Have things changed that much in a few years or was I thinking of old Lost In Space movies....

Shoe (congrats on modern day gizmos)
Name: Dave Whitinger
Jacksonville, Texas (Zone 8b)
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dave
Nov 2, 2011 9:21 AM CST

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I'm putting the server together here in my home office, but when it's all installed and ready to go, I will drive it to the big building in Dallas. Smiling
Name: Margaret
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mcash70
Nov 2, 2011 9:28 AM CST
Thanks for the ATP Headquarters tour, very interesting. Thumbs up
Name: Horseshoe Griffin
Efland, NC (Zone 7a)
And in the end...a happy beginning!
Charter ATP Member I helped beta test the Garden Planting Calendar Hosted a Not-A-Raffle-Raffle Garden Sages I sent a postcard to Randy! I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database!
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Horseshoe
Nov 2, 2011 9:52 AM CST
Ohhh, okay, thanks, Dave. Still sounds exciting to me!

Happy Day!
Shoe
Name: Dave Whitinger
Jacksonville, Texas (Zone 8b)
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dave
Nov 2, 2011 10:14 AM CST

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Name: Ginger
Fountain, Florida (Zone 8b)
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gingin
Nov 2, 2011 3:00 PM CST
Oh my...when I think of "server" I picture something that is bigger then my house Hilarious! but one must understand that some days I can't even turn this beast off the right way *Blush* Whistling Congrates Dave on your "new baby" Rolling my eyes.
Each cloud has a silver lineing if only you look for it.
Name: Hetty
Sunny Naples, Florida (Zone 10a)
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Dutchlady1
Nov 2, 2011 3:11 PM CST
Did something you 'urp' here about an hour ago? It kept telling me the site was unavailable for about 5 minutes. I had to have a drink to recover Hilarious!
Seriously - it looks most impressive!!
Name: Dave Whitinger
Jacksonville, Texas (Zone 8b)
Charter ATP Member Region: Texas Master Gardener: Texas Permaculture Raises cows I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database!
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dave
Nov 2, 2011 3:31 PM CST

Garden.org Admin

Yes, the site was very overloaded.

I'm really looking forward to getting our new server installed!
Name: Lynn
Dallas, OR (Zone 8b)
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valleylynn
Nov 4, 2011 3:09 PM CST
Wow, that is impressive Dave. I don't understand the whole server thing. Confused
But sure glad you do. Thumbs up
Name: Dave Whitinger
Jacksonville, Texas (Zone 8b)
Charter ATP Member Region: Texas Master Gardener: Texas Permaculture Raises cows I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database!
Garden Ideas: Master Level Beekeeper Garden Sages Avid Green Pages Reviewer Celebrating Gardening: 2015 Plant Identifier
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dave
Nov 4, 2011 8:51 PM CST

Garden.org Admin

I installed the new server in Dallas yesterday. I've been putting the finishing touches on it and will move ATP over to it soon - early this week.

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