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Aug 2, 2014 4:49 PM CST
Name: Judy
Simpsonville SC (Zone 7b)
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Anyone in zone 7b/8a have a good experience with heirloom that can handle hot Southern summer and resist fusarium and verticulum (not sure which I've got.) So far I've tried Kellogg's breakfast, Mr Stripey and Virginia Sweets...they get crippled by yellow leaves no matter if I prune and give rich compost...I have 25 years experience growing tomatoes and heirlooms have disappointed with about 10 tomatoes per plant...compared to tons from the 7 hybrid plants. So I stick to Parks whopper, and every year try one or two heirlooms. Any suggestions from folks who have gardened in the South?
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Aug 3, 2014 7:06 AM CST
Name: Angie
Concord, NC (zone 7)
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Judy:

I've successfully grown Rose, Mortgage Lifter, Black from Tula, Cherokee Purple, Black Krim, Caspian Pink and Rutgers. These are
some whose flavor I particularly like. I've also tried Brandywine but won't waste time on it again. My German Johnsons are finally
taking off after some of the brutal heat has abated but they'll produce until frost. I only had one small raised bed this year but will
add next year.

My daughter lives in Clover, SC, and she has some beautiful Cherokee Purples growing on and they are loaded with tomatoes.

Good luck!
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Aug 3, 2014 9:40 AM CST
Greencastle IN (Zone 5b)
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I have not gardened into the south, but Arkansas Traveler was developed in Arkansas to withstand hot dry summers. I have thought about trying it here in west central Indiana. This summer has not been hot or dry but the last 2 years had been extremely hot.
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Aug 4, 2014 12:33 AM CST
Name: Judy
Simpsonville SC (Zone 7b)
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Thank you Angie, I've got some mortgage lifter seeds that I was planning on starting next year, so I'll definitely try it. Thanks for the suggestions.
Here our summers are hot and humid.
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Aug 4, 2014 7:16 AM CST
Name: Angie
Concord, NC (zone 7)
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Yep, Judy, hot and very humid!
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Aug 4, 2014 7:34 AM CST
Name: David Paul
(Zone 9b)
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Any pictures anyone?

Let us see the knowledge you're sharing!
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Aug 5, 2014 7:44 PM CST
Name: Linda
SE Houston, Tx. (Hobby) (Zone 9a)
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Judy:

I've successfully grown Pruden's Purple, Momotoro (a Japanese Hybrid), Mortgage Lifter, Cherokee Purple, Black Krim, Virginia Sweets, Eva Purple Ball. The PP, Black Krim, and Momotoro are my favorite challenges.

I grew my best crop ever last spring, in a 3'x10' raised bed. I grow everything from seeds started inside under fluorescent lights. This year's seeds will be sowed December, 20-21st, and transplanted out February 15, 2015, in the middle of our Zone 9a winter.

The more I grow, the more I learn. In the past, my harvests were simply pitiful, to marginal, because I was starting long-season heirlooms too late. I had to learn for myself that I truly could plant the tomatoes out that early, and protect them from our infrequent dips below 30° and rare sustained freezes.

Once I put my frost contingencies in place, these plants were (finally) a total joy to grow. I had loaded vines by late April, and ripening fruits by late May, long before our Texas Hellfires were lit, LOL! I was ripping the last of the vines by the end of June.

Most backyard tomato growers here don't even think about setting out a tomato plant before late March. They also mostly grow short-season patio tomatoes, and the tried and true Early Girls and Big Boys. I cut my teeth on long-season, beefsteak heirlooms.

Never have grown a patio tomato. ..

I have PVC hoops over all my beds, and cover them with perforated plastic greenhouse sheeting (Territorial Seed Company). Next step is to throw old sheets or lightweight blankets. More contingencies include using old-fashioned Christmas tree lights that get warm or (extreme measure) shoving a small space heater under the hoop, if we expect to have sustained freezing temps for more than 3-4 days in a row.
I tip my hat to you.

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Aug 5, 2014 8:01 PM CST
Name: Linda
SE Houston, Tx. (Hobby) (Zone 9a)
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A few more...

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This is my newest weapon. An T-Frame trellis that can be used for vertical growing, as well as be totally enclosed to convert to an in-bed greenhouse.

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Aug 5, 2014 8:10 PM CST
Name: Rita
North Shore, Long Island, NY
Zone 6B
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That is very nice!
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Aug 6, 2014 1:39 AM CST
Name: Judy
Simpsonville SC (Zone 7b)
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@gymgirl
You have a lovely setup. And I guess you have to start your plants early because it gets too hot in zone 9. I have grown tomatoes in zone 5 with and zone 8 and timing the veggies is not my problem. My issue is that I live in an area where there is a lot of fusarium or verticulum wilt, which is caused by fungus in the soil. It was a problem for gardeners in New York when I lived in Buffalo and a problem in Georgia and now here in South Carolina. Not just my garden but all my garden friends as well. Texas may be so dry that this fungus is not as common in your soil. So you see it's not the heat, it's the humidity. There are a of texas people on here including Dave ATP founder and this fungus doesn't seem to be a problem for you folks. But in areas where summer is humid these soil fungus seem very hard on heirlooms. I'm sure there must be someone who gardens in humid summers who has advice about heirloom varieties that can tolerate soil fungus without succumbing. After all the hybrids are getting gather resistance from somewhere. Anyone have suggestion for fungus resistant heirlooms?
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Aug 6, 2014 3:35 AM CST
Name: Tom
Southern Wisconsin (Zone 5b)
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Wow, Linda you are a serious tomato grower! Like your mini green house. I may steal your ideaj! Smiling
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Aug 6, 2014 5:23 AM CST
Name: David Paul
(Zone 9b)
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I agree Hilarious! Thumbs up Linda!
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Aug 6, 2014 8:17 AM CST
Greencastle IN (Zone 5b)
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Did you look at Arkansas Traveler? Designed to grow in hot humid climates from Arkansas to N. California. Very popular in the south gulf area. But grown all over and is disease resistant.
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Aug 6, 2014 8:33 AM CST
Name: Linda
SE Houston, Tx. (Hobby) (Zone 9a)
"Godspeed, & Good Harvest!"
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I've grown Arkansas Traveler in Houston's heat. Love them. It did very well, and is a very good producer, too!
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Hey, Tom, et al!

I'd love to claim that T-Frame idea as my own, but it's from the Mittleider Garden Method. Ldsprepper over on YouTube posts diligently about the whole Mittleider growing process. I've been following the method, but will not be converting over 100%. I'm starting where I am, and borrowing tips I can incorporate into my existing operation (which is quite small -- I only have 4 raised beds - 116.6 sq. ft. of growing space so far. Three additional beds targeted for the future.

Here's the link to ldsprepper's T-Frame tutorial,
https://www.youtube.com/watch?...

Here's his tutorial for building the Mini-greenhouses using bent PVC A-Frames.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?...

I accidentally created my own Portable Mini-greenhouses by installing his A-Frames into a square base that sits over my seedling trays, for hardening off outside. Here's a pic of my portable mini-greenhouses

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Rolling my eyes.
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Aug 6, 2014 9:43 AM CST
Name: Tom
Southern Wisconsin (Zone 5b)
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I'm kind of surprised you can bend PVC pipe without having it break. I do like your portable frame, I am thinking about using a leaky plastic stock water tank to build a raised bed. When I was a kid up North, people made what they called "Hot houses" to start their plants early. They uses fresh horse manure on the bottom to generate heat,and topped it with soil, and covered them with windows that they had build into a frame. I wondered if I put fresh manure on the bottom, and soil on top, and then a plastic cover like yours on top if that would work. I might have to give that a try. Smiling
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Aug 6, 2014 10:39 AM CST
Name: Linda
SE Houston, Tx. (Hobby) (Zone 9a)
"Godspeed, & Good Harvest!"
Region: Texas Vegetable Grower Seed Starter Garden Ideas: Master Level Canning and food preservation Gardens in Buckets
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Hurray!
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Aug 7, 2014 6:29 AM CST
Name: Carole
Clarksville, TN (Zone 6b)
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They call them cold frames around here.


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Aug 7, 2014 1:00 PM CST
Name: Arlene
Grantville, GA (Zone 8a)
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Cold frames don't take advantage of the heat from manure. That's the only difference.
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Aug 12, 2014 7:48 AM CST
Greencastle IN (Zone 5b)
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I just placed an order for seeds for next year....nothing impatient about me!! Hilarious!

Getting the following:
Arkansas Traveler
Bloody Butcher
Jaune Flammee
Prudens Purple

Of course, I still have seeds left from this year of Rutgers and Kellogg's Breakfast.

The heirlooms have outperformed the hybrids this year. Jet Star has done well this year but Early Girl has been a failure this summer and Big Beef has not performed any where close to what I had hoped for. We have had a very moderate and cool summer. Have yet to hit 90 here. We have not had an abundance of tomatoes but we have had had tomatoes of some type everyday for the last 2 weeks. Some days it has only been the cherry tomatoes. As long as we have tomatoes we are happy!
“Once in a while it really hits people that they don’t have to experience the world in the way they have been told to.”
- Alan Keightley
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Aug 12, 2014 10:54 AM CST
Name: Rita
North Shore, Long Island, NY
Zone 6B
Charter ATP Member Seed Starter Tomato Heads I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database! Vegetable Grower Lover of wildlife (Raccoon badge)
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Humm, Early Girl has been it's usual star producer this season here as always. I can always, always count on great crops from this one.

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