Della,
I find the stippled interesting, but not sure if I would go down that road right now. However, if you want to see what happens with a few crosses go for it as they say.
Fred had some strange things happening on a few new seedlings this year too. He had a number of seedlings from a cross that displayed what I can only calll winged nectaries. Fred says that they remind him of a small butterfly sitting on the flower. I have had some long chats with him just lately about these and he thinks some of these things are showing up because of the limited gene pool he is now using - he has not introduced any new lilies into his breeding for some years now. I did hear about these "winged" nectary seedlings - they bloomed after I had visited him - and told him to take some photos as I was curious. I know he was excited, being a hybridizer, about them because they were something new. They bloomed at a very busy time for him so he didn't get out there in the fields until they were nearly finished blooming. However, he did manage to get a photo of a flower on one of them just before it fell apart (see below) Not a great photo, but you get the idea. It may be something to play around with I don't know. I did plant some seed he sent me of sibling to sibling crosses with this trait. When they bloom I will decide if I want to go on or keep any of them.

Oh I wanted to ask why some of the photos posted by members have labels across them?

JimSaskatoon said:Oh I wanted to ask why some of the photos posted by members have labels across them?

I'm assuming you're referring to the 'Garden.org' text across the image? There's a few different ways you can add a watermark to any images you upload and that is one of them. I use a small copyright statement at the bottom of my photos. You can set this feature in your settings/preferences:

https://garden.org/users/prefs...

Look for the setting called "Add a watermark to uploaded photos?"

Jim, I think Brian Bergman had posted something about the "winged" lilies on a different lily thing somewhere. Maybe it was Facebook?

About the stippling, some people would look at it as grainy. I have to say that compare to smooth coloring, it can look rough and unsettling. Kinda jumpy, if you know what I mean.

Dave,
I'm not on Facebook, but I will send Brian an email and see what he was talking about.

Thanks, Joshua - I was just wondering why they did it.

Rick, yes I can see that it might leave some people wondering just what was going on.

Thaks to all for the comments and replies.

Jim

Love the butterfly wings, Jim!

Leftwood said:

But Della, if the frosting was on a pendant lily, you would hardly see it......

But then I come along lifting up all the flowers and going "wow". Put it down. Lift it up again. Repeat. Endless entertainment.

I finally dug up a few pics and it seems like the internet is being kind for a moment (kids consumed all the data allowance - now on super snail speed!)

This one reminds me of your opening pic, it's a Napa Valley seedling from Hank Z. and discussed in another thread where Hank provides pics of the parentage:



Hmmm... and I found some seedling pics with nascent nectary flares:



Is the following kind of feature unusual? Not sure how to describe it, but the 'spotting' (if it is), is just a darker shade of the background colour.

Della,
That first seedling does look similar to the first one I posted, but yet so different. I will have to try and find the thread.
It does look like that nice pale pink would only need a little work to get that red nectary flare trait to come out. I can kind of see it in the next two as well.
It is interesting the the spots on some lilies are really the same colour only darker, while others appear to be dark brown and sometimes almost black - probably make for an interesting genetic study. This reminds me of a native lily here, Liliium philadelphicum. I spotted a yellow form a couple of years ago where instead of the usual dark spots it had clear spots kind of like little window panes. Here is a photo of it along with two typical plants.
I guess I should say now that I think of it I have seen yellow forms of this species with red spots or blotches so as I said earlier spots could easily lend themselves to a genetic study of spots alone.
Sorry one thing led to another.
Jim

I liked to see this variation. Thanks for posting.

Interesting to see the reverse coloration in the yellow: from the base - dark to light (orange to yellow) instead of light to dark (yellow to orange). There seems to be a halo around the "windows" in the yellow one. So often these things don't even get noticed until one examines a photo.... did you notice in situ - Any comment? Brown coloring or necrotic?

Those L. philadelphicums are nice forms. I haven't seen any with such wide petals here in Minnesota.

Beautiful, Jim! Does philadelphicum hybridise with other North American species, or even with asiatics? Do I remember a pic of a white philadelphicum raised by Peter Zale, or was it catesbaei? Imagine if the yellow and the white forms were crossed....


Edit:
I found the article in Lilies and Related Plants 2013-14, it was a cream-coloured Lilium catesbaei... and despite being up-facing it has to be the most beautiful lily I've ever seen a pic of, beside gloriosoides. *sigh*

Anyone over there, you just have to cross the yellow philadelphicum with the cream catesbaei!

I know that philadelpicum and catesbaei have been crossed by Barry Francis in North Dakota and possibly by Peter Zale. I think I sent some seed of the yellow form of philadelphicum which is called immaculatum to Peter, but I could be mistaken. I wonder if the cream coloured catesbaei is still in existence - probably a short lived plant.

That was a good move. Fingers crossed something came of it, and that the original cream catesbaei passed that colour on to another generation.

I did find this photo of the spotted yellow philadelphicum - not a great one, but all I could find right now. They are rare in nature and I found this one some miles from the other population.

dellac said:
I found the article in Lilies and Related Plants 2013-14, it was a cream-coloured Lilium catesbaei... and despite being up-facing it has to be the most beautiful lily I've ever seen a pic of, beside gloriosoides. *sigh*

Of course, he has it in is old blog, too.
http://botanicazales.blogspot....

Thanks, for that, Rick. I am really finding it kind of amazing that the light coloured catesbaei has the same kind of and coloured spotting as the yellow philadelphicum. I don't think I would be far off saying that these two species are most probably very closely related.

If memory serves, they're the only two upfacing North American species and can be hybridised, so they are likely quite closely related (can't find a phylogenetic tree that includes catesbaei at the moment). I want to grow some L. philadelphicum from seed, but it seems my first lot of seed was bad and I'll need to find some more to try again.

Joshua, seed from seed exes often include a lot of chaff. If you haven't been examining them for the presence of possible embryos, you could save yourself a lot a frustration by doing so. Seed Germination is the easier part of growing this species, in my opinion. Getting them to adulthood is more challenging.

L. philadelphicum seed seems to respond better with a bit of pretreatment. Try freezing the dry seed for two weeks or more, as Darm Crook suggests. Or, give the seed an initial cold-moist conditioning for (1)2-3 months, before germination in warmth. Barry Francis in the 2005 Lily yearbook recommends to germinate with light. My experiences agree that all these will help.

Thanks Rick. I have been checking them and also did freeze the L. philadelphicum seed first. The seed was actually purchased from a grower in Australia (along with L. columbianum and L. hansonii) and I've had a complete failure of all of them - hence leading me to conclude that there's something wrong with the seed, even though most contained embryos.

Bummer, Joshua.

That yellow form really is a fabulous flower, well worth pursuing.


Some more 'unusuals':

First time I have flowered a chimera.


Random far flung spots.


ugh... a wacky hotch-potch of things.

Mm. I've gotten some more L. columbianum and L. hansonii seed (this time from the NALS and SRGC seed exchanges respectiviely), so I'm hoping for germination this time. Still on the lookout for L. philadelphicum.

Those are some interesting seedlings, Della. Is the chimera stable? I'm also somewhat taken with your 'hotch-potch' bloom - first thing I thought was that I'd try crossing it with something else, just to see what I got!