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Sep 5, 2017 4:08 PM CST
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Name: Evelyn
Sierra foothills, Northern CA (Zone 8a)
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tveguy3 said:Sometimes if I really like an iris, I'll buy two look alike irises that bloom at different times, one that blooms early and one that blooms late or very late.
Like Black Magic Woman Early to Mid season

Sharp Dressed Man that starts blooming Mid Season and goes for a long time.


That way I get to see them for a very long season.


Tom ~ I know it is early to start "story-telling", but I think something is going on between Sharp Dressed Man and Black Magic Woman. nodding
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Sep 5, 2017 6:39 PM CST
Name: Tom
Southern Wisconsin (Zone 5b)
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One never knows, but we'll see what happens some time after Christmas and before Easter. Smiling
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Sep 6, 2017 11:01 AM CST
Name: Carol H. Sandt
Lancaster County, Pennsylvania (Zone 6b)
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Polymerous said:If you think irises are bad, you should take a look at the daylily world...

I guess any slight improvement (earlier, or later, or more buds, or better branching, or fragrance, or better disease resistance, or more ruffling, or wider edges, or better color, or or or) would be the reason for look-alikes.


Is there a place where information on the disease resistance of iris cultivars is collected and made publicly available, or is this information mostly anecdotal, i.e. known primarily by those who are part of the iris-growing community, but not available in written form?
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Sep 6, 2017 11:48 AM CST
Thread OP
Name: Evelyn
Sierra foothills, Northern CA (Zone 8a)
Irises Region: Ukraine Garden Procrastinator Bee Lover Butterflies Plant and/or Seed Trader
Region: California Cat Lover Deer Bulbs Foliage Fan Annuals
Carol ~ That is a very good question! I would like to know that as well.
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Sep 6, 2017 1:58 PM CST
Name: Tom
Southern Wisconsin (Zone 5b)
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I think disease resistance can be related to the culture it's grown in. Some irises are very disease resistance in one garden, and thrive in others, so it's not like a pure science.
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Sep 10, 2017 5:03 PM CST

The Historic Iris Preservation Society has a relatively new feature that has photos of every portion of the plant.
http://historiciris.org
click on Gallery
click on ID_Composites A new aid for identification
(http://www.historiciris.org/ab...)

I was able to identify a very common NOID in my town. (Crimson King).
I am now attempting to id several others.
It's a great tool but will also show you how much similar iris differ.

Happy Hunting!!
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Sep 10, 2017 9:17 PM CST
Name: Robin
Melbourne, Australia (Zone 10b)
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Thanks SJButler. Thank You!
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Jan 22, 2018 7:00 PM CST
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Name: Evelyn
Sierra foothills, Northern CA (Zone 8a)
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evelyninthegarden said:Tom ~ I know it is early to start "story-telling", but I think something is going on between Sharp Dressed Man and Black Magic Woman. nodding


Is it time yet?
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Jan 22, 2018 7:11 PM CST
Name: Tom
Southern Wisconsin (Zone 5b)
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I've been giving it some thought, should be soon. Smiling Smiling
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Jan 22, 2018 8:15 PM CST
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Uh-oh.... Whistling
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Jan 22, 2018 8:52 PM CST
Name: Jan Wax
Mendocino County, N. CA (Zone 9a)
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Two nearly identical irises - in photos, at least - Dipped in Dots and Dots and Splashes. Which one?



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Jan 22, 2018 9:19 PM CST
Name: Marilyn, aka "Poly"
South San Francisco Bay Area (Zone 9b)
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I'd like to know about disease resistance in irises too. I was just thinking about that today, after trimming off spotted foliage. Thumbs down A few of the irises looked relatively clean, most so-so, a few relatively bad. The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly. Glare I remember at least one that was really bad last year; I guess I'll be seeing how bad it gets this year.
Evaluating an iris seedling, hopefully for rebloom
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Jan 23, 2018 7:26 AM CST
Name: Bonnie Sojourner
Harris Brake Lake, Arkansas (Zone 7a)
Magnolia zone
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Jan, I like Dipped In Dots the best. Some nearly identical irises are really not that identical when you have them planted in your garden and can see the substance of the petals, the beard color and size and the subtle shading and form of the bloom. The ones that are very much alike should be evaluated on how long the blooms last, how hardy they are in your area and how the blooms stand up to the sun and weather.... i think. I am seeing new introductions that are very much alike some that i already grow. There is enough difference to make both desirable and enough space to grow them in different areas...... just not enough budget to justify the purchase. Hilarious!

Poly, I water my irises all summer long. I like the way irises look in all seasons but most people in this area call them 'drought proof' and leave them to their fate. This causes brown tips and often half the leaf will brown off. I don't like that. It makes me think of dying plants. So.... i water at ground level. The very tips will tell me if the water is not reaching the roots. Smiling Our summers are so dry we only have leaf spot in some springs and it does not last long thankfull. Smiling
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Jan 23, 2018 8:30 AM CST
Name: Tom
Southern Wisconsin (Zone 5b)
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Dipped in Dots is late and very late to bloom, Dots and Splashes says it's E,M,L, meaning it has a long bloom season. I have Dipped In Dots, and really like it, I don't have Dots and Splashes.
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Jan 23, 2018 9:10 AM CST
Name: Leslie
Durham, NC (Zone 8a)
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I love my Dipped in Dots. It got outlandishly tall last spring (52 inches). It was a L-VL bloom here, but the blooms stayed open a long time and held up to heat and rain. I don't grow Dots and Splashes which has lighter style arms and beard.
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Jan 23, 2018 10:44 AM CST
Name: Jan Wax
Mendocino County, N. CA (Zone 9a)
I'm a semi-retired studio potter.
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I'm thinking of growing both of the "dots". Thanks for the input.
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Jan 23, 2018 12:26 PM CST
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Name: Kent Pfeiffer
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'Dots and Splashes' also has both variegated and purple based foliage, an uncommon combination to say the least. The Database shows only four other irises with that combination and 'Quite the Same' is the only one that matches 'Dots and Splashes' in terms of strength of the purple color. So, for anyone who is interested in that sort of thing, it's a very different iris than 'Dipped in Dots'.
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Jan 23, 2018 1:15 PM CST
Thread OP
Name: Evelyn
Sierra foothills, Northern CA (Zone 8a)
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Kent ~ Thank You!



Wow! Would you all look at that?
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Jan 23, 2018 1:34 PM CST
Name: Lilli
Lundby, Denmark, EU
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Jan 23, 2018 1:46 PM CST
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Name: Evelyn
Sierra foothills, Northern CA (Zone 8a)
Irises Region: Ukraine Garden Procrastinator Bee Lover Butterflies Plant and/or Seed Trader
Region: California Cat Lover Deer Bulbs Foliage Fan Annuals
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